Protest in NY: "Occupy Wall Street"

[televator]

Interesting
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5768261/Occupy-Wellington-week-long-protest-planned

I also saw a group called occupy Australia, where else is this spreading?

http://www.meetup.com/occupytogether/

It's been going global. You can see in the link specific occupations taking place in many more places outside the US.

There's still a lot of cities, like mine, that still haven't formally kicked off; but today it seems like it was the date for a lot of international demonstrations to start.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

I saw a video of those 53% idiots. All I saw were slaves who enjoyed being slaves and expected everyone else to revel in the same mental illness.

I believe your dispute with them is one of perspective, specifically over locus of control. They have an interior locus of control - believing that they are responsible for and have control over their own lives - whereas you see an external locus of control. This makes your statement about mental illness ironic, as one of the more common treatments is to try to shift the patient to an internal locus of control. This allows them to work through their issues. The only way you can claim that it would not be beneficial here is to say that it is impossible to succeed economically through your own efforts; which is simply unwarranted.

 

[televator]

TJ, supporting OWS...with his usual manner. Really letting loose on the 53% morons.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

All I'm hearing from TJ is that he's ignorant and proud to be ignorant. You don't have to make a physical product to make wealth - that's a very childish way of looking at an economy. I figured out the very moment I heard about sub-prime loans that they were a bad idea; and I was a teenager at the time. I feel for people taken in by a clever ruse, but I don't have sympathy for people who miss the BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS, and celebrating the right of people to be ignorant kinda goes against the tone of this place. My household is definitely part of the 53% - and we have a nice apartment in a good neighborhood and go out as often as we care to. That goes even more for my in-laws, whose parents were immigrant dress makers and house cleaners and now all own houses in the suburbs. How'd they do it? By working hard and living within their means.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

TJ, supporting OWS...with his usual manner. Really letting loose on the 53% morons.

Well, did you hear who started that nonsense? Eric Erickson, traitor-in-training at CNN. He whines that he works three jobs and can't sell his house. What he means is that he spews his uninformed right-wing anti-American rhetoric on TV, on his website, and on the radio, none of which really counts as work when compared to the work that real people do, versus semi-celebrity assholes. I'm sure he doesn't need to sell any of his million-dollar houses, and I guess he's complaining because he really wants one less house and a couple of new $300,000 cars instead.

 

[Dean]

ArthurWilborn

[. . .] All I'm hearing from TJ is that he's ignorant and proud to be ignorant. You don't have to make a physical product to make wealth [. . .]

Hmm? I watched that video. Or should I say; I suffered through that video. I'll be honest, I don't agree with you on these issues. However, I gotta tell ya' , regardless of whether or not the claims he is making have any validity (in fact, I think some of them do) - I usually have tremendous difficulty trying to sit through anything TJ Cameron has to say. Don't really know why. Perhaps it's because his methods remind me of the kind I have encountered in bars at closing time ... :lol:

 

[ArthurWilborn]

ArthurWilborn

[. . .] All I'm hearing from TJ is that he's ignorant and proud to be ignorant. You don't have to make a physical product to make wealth [. . .]

Hmm? I watched that video. Or should I say; I suffered through that video. I'll be honest, I don't agree with you on these issues. However, I gotta tell ya' , regardless of whether or not the claims he is making have any validity (in fact, I think some of them do) - I usually have tremendous difficulty trying to sit through anything TJ Cameron has to say. Don't really know why. Perhaps it's because his methods remind me of the kind I have encountered in bars at closing time ... :lol:

Well, that too. There's an unfortunate human tendency to advance and defend questionable sources simply because you agree with what they say. Call it the "Al Gore" effect.

 

[Dean]

I have no problem with anything people like Al Gore et al say, so long as it details they way events actually are. I don't think Al Gore has said something that is completely false. I agree with his sentiments about Anthropogenic Climate Change. Nevertheless, Al's not a scientist, let alone a scientist qualified to speak about climate change. The same rules of engagement apply in this instance. The Amazing Atheist really isn't all that amazing.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

Well, out of curiosity, how would you express those sentiments you share with TJ?

 

[televator]

Well, did you hear who started that nonsense? Eric Erickson, traitor-in-training at CNN. He whines that he works three jobs and can't sell his house. What he means is that he spews his uninformed right-wing anti-American rhetoric on TV, on his website, and on the radio, none of which really counts as work when compared to the work that real people do, versus semi-celebrity assholes. I'm sure he doesn't need to sell any of his million-dollar houses, and I guess he's complaining because he really wants one less house and a couple of new $300,000 cars instead.

I hear about him being part of it, but I hadn't realized he was the one who started it. Funny how there's no shortage of proactive persons amongst the mainstream channels on behalf of the banks. Suddenly we don't just have mainstream media just ignoring/obscuring the message of OWS, but actually trying to undermine and confront it.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I hear about him being part of it, but I hadn't realized he was the one who started it. Funny how there's no shortage of proactive persons amongst the mainstream channels on behalf of the banks. Suddenly we don't just have mainstream media just ignoring/obscuring the message of OWS, but actually trying to undermine and confront it.

Mostly CNN... or should I say TeaNN, since they have been partnered up with the Tea Party from the beginning. Make sense, since both are 100% owned by corporate interests representing the top 1%. Poor baby millionaires, being asked to pay at least the same tax rate as the rest of us. Fucking WATBs. Note too how they want to hide their millionaire/billionaire status by lumping themselves in with the barely above working class folks in the "53%", the bastards. As though making $60,000 a year and $60 million are the same thing, and they can present a unified front against the massive assault on them by people who can't rub two goddamned cents together.

 

[televator]

Shit's getting real... OWS is being ordered to clear the park for cleaning. Can they return? Sure... just leave the tents, tables, and sleeping bags out of the park.

OWS has responded by cleaning the park themselves, getting more people into the park, and preparing to stay. Tomorrow morning will be interesting...

 

[devilsadvocate]

Howard Stern's crew went out to ask what people were rallying against and what were their goals. Of course only the most clueless got radio time, but pretty funny still:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsJPKMvWDmY

 

[ArthurWilborn]

Organization of the group is shoddy, demonstrating how communism is problematic even with a small group that has a united purpose.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html?mid=twitter_DailyIntel

 

[australopithecus]

Are they communists?

 

[Dean]

Are they communists?

No. Not in any traditional sense of the word, at least. Their movement appears to be in equal parts communistic and anarchistic in certain aspects. A bit bizarre, really.

There seems to be some degree of division on what the protesters actually want. Some will say that it focuses on "change", such as a transition to universal health care, which, to my understanding, most people here, including myself, would promote, quite happily.

But at the same time ...

... Apparently desired to "Decentralize Everything", which is of course, the complete opposite of a state-controlled economy, as one example.

 

[Dean]

"Occupy this, that and the other" is a new internet meme as well (based off the real thing). A lot of information and poking fun can be found here: Occupy America!. A few days ago, I was invited to "Occupy Pub" lol.

 

[Prolescum]

Organization of the group is shoddy, demonstrating how communism is problematic even with a small group that has a united purpose.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html?mid=twitter_DailyIntel

There's no I in teamwork, unless you call it communism.

































Yes, that is more than one joke.

 

[Welshidiot]

The "Occupy (insert name of town here)" movement is obviously growing at quite some rate.

To my fellow Brits: Did you know that we now have an "Occupy Norwich"...?

Occupy Norwich.....

Norwich......

People all over the world are tired of "those rich bastards eating all the cake", they want to see an end to corporatism, globalisation, greed, injustice,......you name it,.......and in light of that it will be obvious to anyone who is familiar with Norwich (the county town of Norfolk), as to exactly why those brave, brave protesters are currently sitting in the Haymarket.

Norwich.......

Let it sink in......

Norwich.......

 

[Aught3]

No. Not in any traditional sense of the word, at least. Their movement appears to be in equal parts communistic and anarchistic in certain aspects. A bit bizarre, really.

Communism is a state-based form of socialism. Anarchism means stateless, so I think what you are trying to describe is libertarian socialism.