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Protest in NY: "Occupy Wall Street"

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Occupy wall street...

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..as long as its within the boundaries we set for you.
 
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This makes it a bit more clear.



And should you ever decide to ignore the barricades...

 
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Another mass arrest at the Boston occupation. I don't have specifics on the numbers, but from the looks of it, it was a pretty considerable crowd. I watched a live steam on it last night and the park was totally cleared out. There were veterans there in uniform as well. To add insult to injury... any property left in the park was crushed in garbage disposal trucks...lots of US flags in there. Where's all the outrage from the Faux News anti-flag burner crowd now?

 
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Joe actually managed to make a point amid his mockery - how unexpected.

Right, then - what do the protesters propose be done about economic injustice?
 
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ArthurWilborn said:
Joe actually managed to make a point amid his mockery - how unexpected.

Right, then - what do the protesters propose be done about economic injustice?
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I think they want the rich to pay more taxes.
 
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ArthurWilborn said:
[. . .] Right, then - what do the protesters propose be done about economic injustice? [. . .]
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It does seem that a single-issue protest might have had more impact. There is an unofficial official (lol) list of demands on the website; it looks very scattershot.

(I trimmed down some of the paragraphs.)
  • Demand one: Restoration of the living wage.
  • Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system.
  • Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
  • Demand four: Free college education.
  • Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
  • Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
  • Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
  • Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
  • Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
  • Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
  • Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.

  • Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
  • Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
 
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Snufkin said:
ArthurWilborn said:
Joe actually managed to make a point amid his mockery - how unexpected.

Right, then - what do the protesters propose be done about economic injustice?
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I think they want the rich to pay more taxes.
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Ironically, it appears that there are some of the world's wealthiest and most successful businessmen that agree with them!

In Warren Buffett's own words:

Incidentallly, and just as surprising, Bill Gates shares the same sentiment (and Soros too, if I recall rightly.) :D
 
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I believe that in just one state alone (Washington, I think) there was a coalition of wealthy people who got together to voice opposition against having their taxes lowered.
 
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Dean said:
ArthurWilborn said:
[. . .] Right, then - what do the protesters propose be done about economic injustice? [. . .]
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It does seem that a single-issue protest might have had more impact. There is an unofficial official (lol) list of demands on the website; it looks very scattershot.

(I trimmed down some of the paragraphs.)
  • Demand one: Restoration of the living wage.
  • Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system.
  • Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.
  • Demand four: Free college education.
  • Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.
  • Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.
  • Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.
  • Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.
  • Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.
  • Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.
  • Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all.

  • Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.
  • Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

    These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/
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1 and 3 - as I've mentioned before, all wages are livable by definition. If there weren't livable, then the person would not be alive, and thus not drawing a wage. They mean "fair"; which is notoriously difficult to pin down and often creates problems. Most lobbying is an appeal for "fair" treatment, whether it's environmentalists or multi-billion international conglomerates.

4 - There's already a problem with the dilution of the college degree, and related student debt issues. Unless they're also proposing sharply limiting positions ala France (which I doubt) a college degree would become a complete boondoggle.

5 - I see a place for government in preliminary research, but not large-scale implementation. Right now implementing alternative energy on any kind of large scale is highly improbable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra

6 and 7 - No logic, just a pleasant-sounding amount of money to throw at a problem. Capped with the unreasonable fear of nuclear power, when coal is more dangerous in several ways (including possibly radiation release). There could probably stand to be reforms in this area, as always, but I don't think backing up a truckload of aimless money is the way to go.

8 - I don't think this is necessary; aren't there already federal laws to cover this?

9 and 10 - I could agree on these.

11 and 12 - Might as well be "Ban all public lending"; that's what the effect would be.

13 - The reason such ballots are currently secret is to try to prevent intimidation. Not everyone wants to be in a union, after all.

I'm a bit lost on how these would create jobs. Proposal 2 would, at best, relocate existing jobs from the private to the public sector. The public works jobs would be temporary, and there's a limit to how many you can create before the "jobs" are simply welfare. Alternative energy has yet to create jobs at any reasonable rate. Creating jobs requires creating wealth; public improvements will do that, but the marginal improvement from existing infrastructure would be unlikely to create enough wealth to require a massive influx of labor.
Ironically, it appears that there are some of the world's wealthiest and most successful businessmen that agree with them!
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Deceptive. Warren Buffett, or anyone else, can write a check to the Treasury any time they want. No legislation required.
 
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Yeah, well... we know tax rates are too low, but the Republicans love power and hate America enough to keep wanting to lower them further, while attacking people who make so little money that they don't pay federal income taxes at all, but also attacking the wages of the middle class as being too high which is why we need to get rid of unions and the minimum wage... hence the new bullshit "53%" astroturf from the corporate assholes and their foolish lackeys.

It is stupid and incoherent, so it MUST be an article of faith on the right-wing of anti-American politics. Fuck those assholes.
 
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I saw a video of those 53% idiots. All I saw were slaves who enjoyed being slaves and expected everyone else to revel in the same mental illness.
 
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