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Penetrating Conservapedia...

Gunboat Diplomat

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I was just browsing through Conservapedia and let me tell you that it has been an interesting and surreal experience! I wasn't sure which forum to post this but I finally decided to post it here 'cause it vaguely concerns what the contributors of this encyclopedia believe...

The first thing you'll notice about Conservapedia is the obvious Christian and particularly Young Earth Creationism bias in it. Despite this, it's actually very respectful of all Christian denomenations and even other religions as well! Of course, it has a very tainted and critical view of atheism. Similar to Fox News, their bias is considered a form of "trustworthiness."

What interested me the most are its scientific pages. Many topics of science are not controversial and consequently I perceived no bias in their description. Of course, there are many scientific endeavors that are controversial and those pages are as bad as you'd expect. However, there were two things that surprised me about these pages.

First, I was surprised by which topics of science were controversial. Quantum mechanics was untouched but relativity was slandered badly. I do not understand the offense they take to relativity. There's obviously some motive here but I can't see what that is. Even things like plate tectonics and continental drift were uncontroversial to them, albeit interpreted as the result of the biblical flood...

This leads me to be second point: there is clearly a lot of effort at Conservapedia to avoid looking too foolish. This can be seen when you sift through the history and talk pages of subjects that you think ought to have been controversial for them. Many attempts were made to include moral relativism in the page on Einsteinian relativity but these efforts were defeated by other creationists! Similarly on the thermodynamics page, many attempts to add the claim that the second law proves evolution wrong were removed by fellow creationists who actually know a little physics.

There is concerted effort put into appearance by Conservapedia. There was debate about how much to reveal on Kent Hovind because of their conflicting motives of being informative, not attacking a brother of Christ and distancing themselves from a convicted criminal. They've also taken great care to create original work and not just copy from external sources. This is evidenced by how paltry and colloquial their entries are. When you compare pages between Conservapedia and Wikipedia. you can see a marked difference in quality and the amount of content. One just overshadows the other in utility, so much so that you know that no copying of content is happening!

This was an interesting and masochistic experience for me, overall!
 
arg-fallbackName="CVBrassil"/>
Read their page on evolution. Its just so wrong all over. Its also their "page of the year" or whatever.

Honestly there is little redeeming about that site. Certain "conservative' sites or sources can actually give some decent news stories, but this one has nothing going for it. Ignorant editors, as well as angry ones. They will ban you for so much as questioning a statement on their site.

I really only pay attention to their "news" section where probably a good 80% of it is complaining about how Obama is a socialist muslim nazi atheist or whatever. They just plain lie too. I'll bring up the most simple example I have seen and remembered. I remember that when the Amazing Atheist got suspended back in June or around there, they actually made THAT a news worthy item, and when he stopped swearing, they said he had felt the wrath of God and "Atheists all over YouTube' (even if it is just one single one) are removing their videos frantically. Of course I could go find one of their many REAL news articles, but this is the one I remember best.
 
arg-fallbackName="theatheistguy"/>
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism

Painful, I won't even attempt to rebut it, just have a look for yourself.
 
arg-fallbackName="Mapp"/>
Conservapedia is educational in that it demonstrates just how deeply right wing politics has infiltrated the evangelical movement in the United States and vice-versa.
 
arg-fallbackName="AndyfromMonday"/>
I've read most of what was written on the "atheism" section of Conservapedia and DontHurtTheIntersect was right, it IS a daily dose of rage. There's just so much bullshit being spouted that I feel like throwing my keyboard in the face of the idiot who made that article.
 
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Mapp said:
Conservapedia is educational in that it demonstrates just how deeply right wing politics has infiltrated the evangelical movement in the United States and vice-versa.
Yeah, it pretty much proves that in American politics, anyone with an (R) after their name is a screaming loony, a lying shit weasel, dumb as a bag of hair, or some combination of the three.
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
theatheistguy said:
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism

Painful, I won't even attempt to rebut it, just have a look for yourself.
I don't think I can read it... the writing style is one I have come to recognize as "Modern Conservative Moron Lying." There was a link on maybe Pharyngula recently of a YEC's "research" paper for school that he got a bad grade on, and it was in this EXACT style, including the whole "point that I'll get to in a minute" pattern.
 
arg-fallbackName="Wainscotting"/>
Just read the Atheism page. Anyone who tells me that I'm evil because I was born too smart and too gay can get fucked, IMO. It's a pity they're too stupid and arrogant to notice the glaring number of logical fallacies throughout the wiki.

When I first came across Conservapedia, their article on Hitler was strangly lacking any detail on the numbebr of Jews, Roma and others that he killed and they implied that he wasn't actually all that bad - just that the Allies demonised him in order to legitimise their invasion of Germany. Now I see they're using Hitler to demonise Evolution.
 
arg-fallbackName="Jotto999"/>
theatheistguy said:
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism

Painful, I won't even attempt to rebut it, just have a look for yourself.
Fun fact: the worst mistake I've made all day was trying to read some of that.

...While trying to maintain sanity.
 
arg-fallbackName="Marcus"/>
Conservapedia is a veritable wellspring of lulz. Its very existence and substance demonstrate a couple of truths about politics.

Compare the ease of editing Conservapedia with Wikipedia. Wikipedia is far from perfect, but a system that tries to base information on reliable evidence turns out to be "too liberal", requiring Conservapedia to only consider evidence that supports their political predispositions, regardless of reliability. This demonstrates the old saw that "reality has a liberal bias".

Apart from its self proclaimed political bias, it's also clear that it is overwhelmingly a US based institution. This demonstrates that many Americans, particularly Republicans, have a very limited view of politics outside the US and don't realise that the Democrats would be too right wing to be realistically electable in the civilised world. The US has an entrenched system where the people make a regular choice between two parties, the Far Right and the Further Right.

Warning: This post contains significant amounts of overblown hyperbole. It can be made safer for human consumption by the addition of 0.5 g of NaCl.
 
arg-fallbackName="EvilLiberal"/>
nasher168 said:
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Uncharitableness
This one irritated me.
$32,000 to MSF, three-times the target of $10,000. The vast majority of donations were from atheists, utterly refuting Conservapedia.


Erm, in all fairness that was a charity event orginised by an atheist, promoted primarily by prominant atheists (youtube prominant, that is), within the youtube atheist community. The ammount raised in comparison the the target is irrelevant, as the target was an estimation by an individual without any kind of economic qualification.

Whilst I would be surprised to see a reliable source suggesting a trend of religious individuals giving more than the irreligious, taking this example alone would be sheer cherry-picking.
 
arg-fallbackName="CVBrassil"/>
EvilLiberal said:
nasher168 said:
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Uncharitableness
This one irritated me.
$32,000 to MSF, three-times the target of $10,000. The vast majority of donations were from atheists, utterly refuting Conservapedia.


Erm, in all fairness that was a charity event orginised by an atheist, promoted primarily by prominant atheists (youtube prominant, that is), within the youtube atheist community. The ammount raised in comparison the the target is irrelevant, as the target was an estimation by an individual without any kind of economic qualification.

Whilst I would be surprised to see a reliable source suggesting a trend of religious individuals giving more than the irreligious, taking this example alone would be sheer cherry-picking.

Have to go with him on this one (EvilLiberal, that is).

This argument is like the brilliant one my brother thought of when saying global warming isn't true: this year (at the time, 2007?) was colder than past years.

Of course my brother was talking about the local area, which would mean nothing when disproving something like global warming.

Anyways, the logic that was used was wrong. Not saying that Atheists AREN'T charitable, just that that one event isn't a proof for either side. However, I haven't seen any solid evidence pointing that either are more charitable than the other, charity isn't a very easy statistic to come by. I mean I think the amount given to charity depends more on the way you were raised, so even if you see the difference between 100 atheists and 100 christians in Texas and then the same amount in Rhode Island, there probably won't be a trend.

Now this isn't a proof on my part, but I honestly dislike talking about charity, I will not say how much I give a year simply because I feel that amounts to "I do charity, listen to how good I am". So if I was asked that sort of question I suppose it could be botched, but thats just me :D
 
arg-fallbackName="biology4life"/>
I have a 'sleeper' account, so far just a few non-controverial factual edits.
I have yet to decide what high jinks to get up to if I can worm my way in.
 
arg-fallbackName="Josan"/>
Their definition of materalism includes:
Materialism ignores unseen opportunity costs, and often materialists are unable or unwilling to grasp this and other abstract truths. Materialists have trouble realizing that the deterrence effect of gun ownership yields more benefits than any harm that guns cause. Materialists often develop obsessions with their outlook, as reflected by evolution syndrome.

And follow it up with:
The falsehood of materialism causes significant harm, including:

- downplaying the harmful affects of gambling and pornography, which can be even more harmful than destructive substance abuse

- downplaying non-material causes of accidents, such as young children impulsively darting towards water or into the street

- exaggerating possible material causes of anxiety and possible material remedies, such as medication

Materialism misleads people into thinking that non-material-based addictions (e.g., gambling and pornography) are not harmful to one's health. They are often very harmful despite a lack of immediate physical harm.
 
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