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Pat Robertson on Slavery in the Bible

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Oh my...WOW! A Christian -- Pat Robertson no less -- just admitted what the bible says about slavery, and that slavery = bad was a completely human/societal realization that was independent from scripture....

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theyounghistorian77 said:
Within the context of this i think he said it at just the right time :lol:
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Don't forget that Pat Robertson is not a "True Christian[sup]TM[/sup]"
 
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Just a few things-

1- The Old T DOESN'T unanimously condone slavery-
'He that steals a man and sells him, or if he be found in his hands, he shall surely be put to death " (Exod 21:16; Deut. 24:7).
And Moses went ballistic and KILLED a slave-driver-
"He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand" (Exod 2:11)

2- The word "slave" and "servant" is often interchangeable in the bible, hence the confusion.

3- Anyway The New Testament OVERULES the Old T-
"The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-13)

4- And this New T quote makes it quite clear-
"..law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers....for slave traders and liars and perjurers...." (1 Tim 1:9)

In fact christians like David Livingstone helped break the African slave trade-
"To overstate the evils of slavery is an impossibility"- Livingstone
 
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Charlie Dodd said:
Just a few things-

1- The Old T DOESN'T unanimously condone slavery-
'He that steals a man and sells him, or if he be found in his hands, he shall surely be put to death " (Exod 21:16; Deut. 24:7).
And Moses went ballistic and KILLED a slave-driver-
"He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand" (Exod 2:11)

2- The word "slave" and "servant" is often interchangeable in the bible, hence the confusion.

3- Anyway The New Testament OVERULES the Old T-
"The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-13)

4- And this New T quote makes it quite clear-
"..law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers....for slave traders and liars and perjurers...." (1 Tim 1:9)

In fact christians like David Livingstone helped break the African slave trade-
"To overstate the evils of slavery is an impossibility"- Livingstone
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True.

So what does this mean?

Well, for one it means the Bible is ambiguous. Something many Christians try to claim it isn't.

Particularly if God "wrote" the Bible, since God, according to most Christians I have heard from (correct me if I'm wrong here), is eternal and unchanging. (But evidently, God went from being an avid supporter of slavery to... being sort of against it?)

And as with the example of Livingstone, some Christians opposed slavery, while others supported it - which means that Christians can get either message from the Bible, further indicating ambiguity.

Oh, and also it seems God is a bit of a nationalist, and that killing anyone other than Hebrews is cool... or something? That's what I got out of your first point, anyway. But never mind that, let's focus on the slavery bit.
 
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Charlie Dodd said:
Just a few things-

1- The Old T DOESN'T unanimously condone slavery-
'He that steals a man and sells him, or if he be found in his hands, he shall surely be put to death " (Exod 21:16; Deut. 24:7).
And Moses went ballistic and KILLED a slave-driver-
"He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand" (Exod 2:11)
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You're right, the Bible doesn't unanimously condone slavery. It's even worse. The Bible condones racially motivated slavery. "If someone is caught kidnapping a fellow Israelite and treating or selling them as a slave, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you. " (Deut 24:7). Oh look, kidnapping is only a crime if the victim is an Israelite! Of course the Bible is the big book of multiple choise.
2- The word "slave" and "servant" is often interchangeable in the bible, hence the confusion.
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New or old testament? Which word? At least in the New Testament the greek doulos has has been mistranslated to "servant" since the King James Bible though the very clear meaning is "slave". The OT " ebhed", as I understand it, has broader meaning, though context (buying and selling, mandatory servitude for life) makes clear that the word is also used for slaves.
3- Anyway The New Testament OVERULES the Old T-
"The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-13)

4- And this New T quote makes it quite clear-
"..law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers....for slave traders and liars and perjurers...." (1 Tim 1:9)
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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Matt 5:17) Jesus disagrees with you. Big book of multiple choise again. Oh, and did you just admit that you think God changes his mind?
In fact christians like David Livingstone helped break the African slave trade-
"To overstate the evils of slavery is an impossibility"- Livingstone
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And who do you think did most of the shipping in the Africa-America (not to be confused with the North-Africa) slave trade? Yeap, christians. Both sides actually used the Bible as justification. Big book of multiple choise again.
 
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