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Parting the Red Sea - No miracle required
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Yes, 100 Km/s winds out there that conveniently blew at a very convenient angle.
Disregarding that, how would they be walking and not in a giant sand storm(is that how those form?) when there are winds of 100 Km/s
(100 Km/s is from a dutch version of the article I read.)
Disregarding that, how would they be walking and not in a giant sand storm(is that how those form?) when there are winds of 100 Km/s
(100 Km/s is from a dutch version of the article I read.)
Giliell
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They will now claim that that bible was right all along and therefore everything in it is true(tm)
If I'd been a bronze-age people and witnessed such an event (I doubt anyone would have dared to enter the "passage"), I'd have thought it were a god doing this, too.
And made a fancy story, since the problem remains that there's no indication that Moses existed or that masses of Jews left Egypt (the ashamed Egyptians hushed it all up, wiping them from the records)
If I'd been a bronze-age people and witnessed such an event (I doubt anyone would have dared to enter the "passage"), I'd have thought it were a god doing this, too.
And made a fancy story, since the problem remains that there's no indication that Moses existed or that masses of Jews left Egypt (the ashamed Egyptians hushed it all up, wiping them from the records)
i still don't get why people want to proof fairytails... that's a backwards as trying to find historic evidence for the stories of Tolkien or perhaps norsk god's.
as regardless of what is possible, lets focus on what's probable.
with such winds speeds... of around 100km/h, i doubt anyone would be that insane to walk.
were talking about a type11 storm, on the beaufort scale.
and this is what people should expect;
as regardless of what is possible, lets focus on what's probable.
with such winds speeds... of around 100km/h, i doubt anyone would be that insane to walk.
were talking about a type11 storm, on the beaufort scale.
and this is what people should expect;
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale
An apologist may say that moses had the power to control the wind. Assuming that is true, was such from god? or from something else?
A scientist who believes that such occured may say that moses was a good observer and must have known at said time such will happen from previous and repetitious observance of nature. On the other hand, the timing has to be perfect.
The issue that needs resolving is the following:
a. Do we have evidence that moses led the israelites from their doom?
b. Do we have evidence that moses existed?
A scientist who believes that such occured may say that moses was a good observer and must have known at said time such will happen from previous and repetitious observance of nature. On the other hand, the timing has to be perfect.
The issue that needs resolving is the following:
a. Do we have evidence that moses led the israelites from their doom?
b. Do we have evidence that moses existed?
The research has alternative motives, or so the news I link suggest. It's a part of a bigger study on storm fronts and such. And as the news also indicate, there is little evidence of the whole escape in general. But it's not physically impossible, which was the point.
Expect to see a lot more creatard theories on this phenomena in the next five years when they catch up to the news.
Expect to see a lot more creatard theories on this phenomena in the next five years when they catch up to the news.
lrkun said:An apologist may say that moses had the power to control the wind. Assuming that is true, was such from god? or from something else?
A scientist who believes that such occured may say that moses was a good observer and must have known at said time such will happen from previous and repetitious observance of nature. On the other hand, the timing has to be perfect.
The issue that needs resolving is the following:
a. Do we have evidence that moses led the israelites from their doom?
b. Do we have evidence that moses existed?
i wouldn't be surprised if these guys would also state that "Avatar: the last airbender" is based on real events...
and that Aang is actually moses and Firelord Oozu is the Egyptian pharaoh ...
nemesiss said:lrkun said:An apologist may say that moses had the power to control the wind. Assuming that is true, was such from god? or from something else?
A scientist who believes that such occured may say that moses was a good observer and must have known at said time such will happen from previous and repetitious observance of nature. On the other hand, the timing has to be perfect.
The issue that needs resolving is the following:
a. Do we have evidence that moses led the israelites from their doom?
b. Do we have evidence that moses existed?
i wouldn't be surprised if these guys would also state that "Avatar: the last airbender" is based on real events...
and that Aang is actually moses and Firelord Oozu is the Egyptian pharaoh ...
I like that show. I actually wouldn't mind if they did, because that series stole a lot of its ideas from existing anime. It's not original, however, it is worth watching.
On the point of your comparison, well, one can choose to see things and obtain patterns even if it isn't really there. >.<
Giliell
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Problem: They're assuming that the exodus and Moses were real, which, to my knowledge, we have no reason to believe.Daealis said:
That's like proving that my car could have been the escape vehiclke in a bank robbery that most likely never happened.
How about this interpretation:
A nomadic people one day witnesses such an event. OK, the wind is blowing so strongly that they're lying flat on their stomachs, but they can observe this. Generations later, this has become a tale, a fable and is interwoven into the history of how our nomadic people became settlers.
The problem with things like this is that religious people don't understand that finding the natural explenation for some legend actually renders their god unnecessary instead of proving his power. It enlarges our knowledge of how religions are formed and how they develop.
There's also a theory that it was something to do with the eruption of Thera in the Mediterranean, the event that wiped out the Minoan civilisation and marked the beginning of the end for the bronze age in the Mediterranean region. The tidal wave would have taken water away from the shoreline for a while, then smashed it back. Also, the volcanic eruption would have produced a smoky pillar by day and a glowing pillar of "fire" by night, possibly observable from Egypt.
That said, I don't see why we should believe the event was anything more or less than made up. There is no evidence outside the bible to suggest for a moment that the Exodus occurred at all, let alone the "miracle" of the Red Sea's parting.
That said, I don't see why we should believe the event was anything more or less than made up. There is no evidence outside the bible to suggest for a moment that the Exodus occurred at all, let alone the "miracle" of the Red Sea's parting.
Anachronous Rex
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nasher168 said:
This. Anything else is pointlessly speculative; like Amazons being Hittites, cyclopes being mastodon, Knossos being Atlantis, and the black sea being the basis for the flood story. This sort of thing is fun to do, but encourages pseudo-scientific thinking with regards to history when it becomes popularized. It ends up resulting in shows like Monster Quest,and the Nostradamus Code on the history channel *shutter.*
Anachronous Rex
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"This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds."Doc. said:
RichardMNixon
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lrkun said:
Is that more tenable than having the power to control the sea? I'm not sure what this accomplishes for apologetics. :roll:
I've been in winds like that before, on mount Washington in New Hampshire. It's pretty crazy-ass. You can barely stay upright, or even walk (some of us were crawling). Though the terrain Moses would have had to get across would have been nice and flat rather than a boulder-strewn mountain, making it easier. It still would've been a hell of a windy trek!
Giliell
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Well, that's all logical now. The soup was hot, he blew on it to cool it down and the wind was just the right speed and angle. Heeee-ey, you can see the wind in the diner!Doc. said:
And since the movie was out years before this study, it shows that god revealed heavenlky knowledge to whomever was the director
checkmate, atheists!