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Osama Bin Laden killed
- Thread starter Cephei
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RichardMNixon
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Meh. I don't expect this will reduce terrorism by any substantial amount. We spent billions of dollars and lost the lives of many soldiers for a revenge killing.
Also note, this is the 8th anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech.
Also note, this is the 8th anniversary of Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech.
borrofburi
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Worse... we played right into his hands. His goal was to play on economic imbalance. It didn't cost much to do 9/11, but it cost us a whole hell of a lot to "retaliate".RichardMNixon said:
kenandkids
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At least this hunt is over. Maybe now we can pull out and start paring down the military so that we have money for education...didn't think so...
Anachronous Rex
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Good riddance.
he_who_is_nobody
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In only three years, Obama was able to do something that Bush could not do in seven years.
borrofburi
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Yah... even when the british empire was failing, the bureaucracy was increasing...kenandkids said:
kenandkids
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Am I the only person that is disturbed by people holding street parties to celebrate a death...?...
FaithlessThinker
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It's sad he's dead... We all had a lot of questions to ask him... More than 3000 of them.
Master_Ghost_Knight
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Doc. said:
Cephei said:
:shock: :shock: Tcham! :shock: :shock:
Hah. Obama considers his death "the most significant achievement to date in the US' effort to defeat Al Qaeda". Really? That's awfully weak.
Well, if they had the option to capture him alive to give him a fair trial (which is what everyone deserves - even those US politicians knowing they will never be tried for their crimes) instead of murdering him, I would argue the US isn't any better. In fact considering the US' actions of,say, the last century, there is no reason to believe it were, to the contrary. It has been US policy to ruthlessly manipulate the political and military situation of certain key countries for long-term political, military and economic purposes, which is effectively more sinister than any number of acts of guerrilla warfare - and incidentally it is the prime cause for the US to get guerrilla'd, because these groups of people have little in the way of alternatives.
Retaliation is never just, certainly not justice. The way certain Americans take pride in the assassination of a person is thoroughly disgusting.
Well, if they had the option to capture him alive to give him a fair trial (which is what everyone deserves - even those US politicians knowing they will never be tried for their crimes) instead of murdering him, I would argue the US isn't any better. In fact considering the US' actions of,say, the last century, there is no reason to believe it were, to the contrary. It has been US policy to ruthlessly manipulate the political and military situation of certain key countries for long-term political, military and economic purposes, which is effectively more sinister than any number of acts of guerrilla warfare - and incidentally it is the prime cause for the US to get guerrilla'd, because these groups of people have little in the way of alternatives.
Retaliation is never just, certainly not justice. The way certain Americans take pride in the assassination of a person is thoroughly disgusting.
Obviously this was way overdue, and I think it will do a lot to increase Obama's support.
However, in regards to Al Queda, Afghanistan and terrorism as a whole, nothing is really going to change. That said, didn't David Cameron apologise to Pakistan for claiming they were harbouring terrorists, and now we find that Osama was in Pakistan? That could cause some issues.
However, in regards to Al Queda, Afghanistan and terrorism as a whole, nothing is really going to change. That said, didn't David Cameron apologise to Pakistan for claiming they were harbouring terrorists, and now we find that Osama was in Pakistan? That could cause some issues.
Well I suppose there's a big difference between harbouring them and just happening to have terrorists in your country. But Bin Laden was apparently in a fortified compound very close to the Pakistani "equivalent of Sandhurst" according to the BBC, which does raise a few suspicions.
DepricatedZero
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I just had breakfast with my mom and this was part of our discussion.kenandkids said:
She was telling me how wonderful it is that he's dead. I told her that it's deplorable for her to celebrate someone's death.
And then I explained why it's ok to celebrate what has happened, and how it's possible to do so without celebrating in his death. I'm excited, not because he's dead, but because it's over. It's the end of an era. I'm not singing and dancing in the streets, which happened at Ground Zero last night - and I'm not waving flags or singing "America! Fuck yeah!" My response was to praise Obama's decisiveness, and in the midst of a crisis at home as well. His game is over, he doesn't have any more mans that I'm aware of.
My initial response, the first thing I thought was, "how can we be sure it's him?" I voiced this to Dora in chat last night when I first found out. Apparently there were DNA tests and everything to verify it, which is good enough for me. I wasn't going conspiricist with it, just skeptical, and thinking back to all the times we had supposedly gotten Hussein.
I also have a strong, strong dose of reservation about what atrocities may yet come. Not in retaliation, but in celebration. We Americans are a barbaric lot, and there's a huge portion of my country that take pride in that. They call it patriotism, as if getting drunk and beating your wife is patriotic. I refer, of course, to the stereotype on the Bible Belt. How many muslims are going to be chained to 4x4s and dragged down gravelly roads til they're dead? How many lynchings, beatings, rapes, etc, will come from our Good Ol' Boys celebrating in effigy the death of their villain?
Because that's how they celebrate.
I feel shame for the behaviour of my countrymen, and pity for any who may cross their over-exuberant paths.
But back on point - I'm glad that our manhunt is finished. In the next few days we'll see how this impacts oil prices, confidence, and relationships with countries in the Middle East. The price of gas is already way, way down in Cincinnati - an interesting side effect.
