Origin of Life

[Av8torbob]

You don't seem to understand that whilst I'm an "administrator" I'm allowed to contribute to threads and conversations. Actually, you do understand that, but you're going to pretend you don't, just like you've been pretending the whole time you've been here that you had something of substance to offer.

When I'm posting as an administrator I'll let you know, chap.

Until then, I'm posting as a member.

My bad. So, when "posting as a member" you're exempt from the "RULES" you demand that everyone else read and abide by?

Just trying to make sure I understand how this works, lad.

Try just a little bit, @*SD*

 

[*SD*]

My bad. So, when "posting as a member" you're exempt from the "RULES" you demand that everyone else read and abide by?

Nope, same rules, there's only one set and you agreed to abide by them when you joined.

Just trying to make sure I understand how this works, lad.

I'm glad you're trying, you're just not quite there yet, but your efforts to understand very basic things are indeed hereby acknowledged.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

No response from him, or anyone else for that matter, about the fact that the "studies" he cited are full of wishful thinking, "could be" explanations, and the necessity of intelligent intervention at every step to make their story sound like it works.

Lie.

I didn't expect you to understand anything I presented so far, which is why you tried to find something, anything you could pretend to be wrong with it. I don't expect you to understand this next bit either. I asked whether you understood that "redox and pH gradients drive amino acid synthesis in iron oxyhydroxide mineral systems. Alanine and valine, two of the proteinogenic amino acids thought to be among the most abundant on a prebiotic earth, can polymerize into peptides." You tried to pretend that it didn't say what it says, but it actually does say that.

What is the point of lying on a written forum? It is so easy to expose your lie.

 

[Av8torbob]

Nope, same rules, there's only one set and you agreed to abide by them when you joined.

But you don't ... being a tough guy "Administrator" and all ...

 

[*SD*]

Yeah that's definitely it. That's what it is after all. I'm going to do naughty things to you because I'm an admin. Only nobody has done anything to you bar respond since the day you landed here.

It seems your goal is to waste as much of our time as you possibly can.

 

[*SD*]

But you don't ... being a tough guy "Administrator" and all ...

It's hilarious that he thinks this will fly. He hasn't been moderated at all, in any way shape or form. He just wants to absorb our time, like a worm absorbing nutrients from the soil. Just soak it up, as much as possible.

 

[Av8torbob]

Yeah that's definitely it. That's what it is after all. I'm going to do naughty things to you because I'm an admin. Only nobody has done anything to you bar respond since the day you landed here.

It seems your goal is to waste as much of our time as you possibly can.

There you go lying again. I didn't say you'd done anything to bar me from responding. Never even hinted at it.

What I said, and will repeat, is that you're a HYPOCRITE because you don't abide by your own rules, which include this:

• Be civil and polite to other users, even when you really disagree with them! Mutual respect is important.

You're the one insisting on wasting time here. I already told you when I would respond and you haven't added a single valuable syllable to the discussion before or since, beyond trying to mock and taunt me, of course.

The fact that you're one of the moderators/administrators of this pathetic echo chamber is pretty fitting.

 

[*SD*]

So your response to @AronRa is????

I'm not going to allow you to consume my time, Bob. I don't grant you that power and you are unable to take it from me. So, your response to @AronRa is?
He did, after all, show you the courtesy of responding to you, so it makes for politeness when you respond to him, right Bob?

 

[*SD*]

You're the one insisting on wasting time here. I already told you when I would respond and you haven't added a single valuable syllable to the discussion before or since, beyond trying to mock and taunt me, of course.

Except that isn't true, is it Bob? I did respond to you, by pointing out that your criticism of the Miller/Urey experiment wasn't valid. Didn't I post that to you, Bob? I'm sure I did, Bob. Others did too, Bob.

 

[*SD*]

Did you acknowledge that correction, Bob?

No, you didn't, Bob.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Serendipity is a fantastic thing.

Origins of Life From RNA

Researchers at the University of Tokyo published a study in Nature Communications in which they establish that an RNA system can spontaneously evolve complexity. RNA molecules are one of the primary candidates for the first prebiotic molecules that lead to life. RNA is a single-stranded version of DNA, a self-replicating molecule built from four bases forming two pairs. The idea is that life started with the formation of a “replicator” – a molecule that could make copies of itself. RNA is a leading candidate for being the first replicator, but DNA and proteins are also candidates. So far we have not yet been able to connect an “RNA world” with a later world comprised of DNA and proteins. It is this gap that the new research helps fill in.

I wonder if @Rumraket Would be willing to grace us with his presence?

 

[Av8torbob]

So your response to @AronRa is????

I'm not going to allow you to consume my time, Bob. I don't grant you that power and you are unable to take it from me. So, your response to @AronRa is?
He did, after all, show you the courtesy of responding to you, so it makes for politeness when you respond to him, right Bob?

For the record, YOU are the one who initiated this exchange today at 8:05 PM (your time) and haven't contributed any information to the discussion that the OP was about. If you want to know who to blame for "consuming your time" go in your bathroom and look in the mirror.

 

[*SD*]

I'll ask once again, who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

 

[Av8torbob]

I'll ask once again, who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

• Be civil and polite to other users, even when you really disagree with them! Mutual respect is important.

 

[*SD*]

This doesn't go away, no matter HOW HARD you wish, this stays available online for anyone to access, think hard dude. If all you want to achieve is getting banned so you can pretend you were never here, you'll have to try WAY harder.

 

[*SD*]

• Be civil and polite to other users, even when you really disagree with them! Mutual respect is important.

How is asking you a question impolite? If I were being impolite you'd definitely be aware of it. In the mean time, just answer the question? Of course you won't do that, it's transparent for all to see, we're just adding to the record here.

 

[We are Borg]

When people do not respond to the posts you’ll know that they do not have any recourse, now he is trying to twist rules in their favour to not answer the posts.

 

[Av8torbob]

Another study showed that redox and pH gradients drive amino acid synthesis in iron oxyhydroxide mineral systems. Alanine and valine, two of the proteinogenic amino acids thought to be among the most abundant on a prebiotic earth, can polymerize into peptides.

Amyloid Aggregates Arise from Amino Acid Condensations under Prebiotic Conditions - PubMed

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I’ve already addressed this above. You citing it yet again as somehow proving your point is … well, it’s redundant.

Further studies show it is remarkably easy for peptides to subsequently assemble into ordered protein-like, two-dimensional structures – amyloids – from basic building blocks. This discovery supports the researchers’ hypothesis that primal life could have evolved from amyloids such as these.

Protein-like structures from the primordial soup | ScienceDaily

www.sciencedaily.com

Cut & pasted from the cited article:

“ … supports the researchers' hypothesis that primal life could have evolved from amyloids such as these.”

Keywords: could have

Cut & pasted from the cited article (again): The story starts at least four billion years ago, when there was no living matter on the planet. Sometime around then, smaller chemical compounds formed into larger organised structures capable of self-reproduction. And so the early precursors of life were born.”

OK, I said this is a story materialists tell. At this point, it seems like you're just trying to affirm my point. Sounds good!

Otherwise, the second and third sentences in this comical excerpt summarize the story — using circular reasoning to invoke that which they assume to be true and are supposed to be "proving."

Pro tip: How these formed and organized into structures capable of self-reproduction IS THE QUESTION WE’RE TRYING TO ANSWER!

Because peptides can spontaneously form self-replicating protein structures in the presence of carbonyl sulphide.

Does This Explain the Origin of Life? | The Sensuous Curmudgeon

sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com

See comments on the first citation. Department of Redundancy Department

They can also dry into polypeptides, because some of these chemicals become increasingly complex after repeated cycles of inundation, dehydration and irradiation. Then once the right phosphate is involved, they become ribonucleotides.

Life's First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory | WIRED

www.wired.com

Cut & pasted from the cited article:

“Researchers synthesized the basic ingredients of RNA … Scientists think RNA existed early in Earth's history”

"By changing the way we mix the ingredients together, we managed to make ribonucleotides," said Sutherland. "The chemistry works very effectively from simple precursors, and the conditions required are not distinct from what one might imagine took place on the early Earth."

"Like other would-be nucleotide synthesizers, Sutherland's team included phosphate in their mix, but rather than adding it to sugars and nucleobases, they started with an array of even simpler molecules that were probably also in Earth's primordial ooze."

So, the chemistry only worked when intelligent agents intervened in the process. I take it you’ve switched sides and are now citing evidence of Intelligent Design here? Welcome to the ID club, @AronRa !!

In summary, I invite anyone who's still reading this to go read the articles @AronRa cites for yourselves. I'm not making this stuff up. I'm quoting YOUR sources.

And I gladly accept the esteemed "Administrator's" apology.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

So, the chemistry only worked when intelligent agents intervened in the process. I take it you’ve switched sides and are now citing evidence of Intelligent Design here? Welcome to the ID club, @AronRa !!

In summary, I invite anyone who's still reading this to go read the articles @AronRa cites for yourselves. I'm not making this stuff up. I'm quoting YOUR sources.

Only someone unfamiliar with how science works could make statements this foolish. You realize that isolating variables is a time-honored tradition in science. The scientists are not designing anything that cannot happen naturally.

 

[Av8torbob]

Only someone unfamiliar with how science works could make statements this foolish. You realize that isolating variables is a time-honored tradition in science. The scientists are not designing anything that cannot happen naturally.

Only someone fully committed to his fairy tale, and devoid of any measure of intellectual honesty, could possibly claim that a scientist’s ability to design something entails that it could — and did! — have to happen naturally.

And I’m the “foolish” one?! LOL