[OpenLeaks] Coming soon 2011: WikiLeaks rival

[Case]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC23E20101213?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c0.128370:b40216768:z0

Dubbed "Openleaks" (http://www.openleaks.org) and run by Assange's former number two at WikiLeaks Daniel Domscheit-Berg, the site has no content on it at the moment apart from a logo and the message "Coming soon!"

In an interview with the OWNI technology website, Domscheit-Berg declined to go into the details of his dispute with Wikileaks but suggested it had strayed from its mission.

"In these last months, the organization has not been open any more, it lost its open-source promise," he said, adding that Openleaks plans to provide the means for leaked information to be published, without itself being a publisher.

U.S. and other authorities have cracked down on WikiLeaks and Assange since the site started publishing thousands of confidential U.S. diplomatic cables that have embarrassed the United States and other parties around the world.

Assange, a 39-year-old Australian who founded WikiLeaks in 2006, is in policy custody in Britain after a European arrest warrant was issued by Sweden, which wants to question him about allegations of sexual crimes. He denies the allegations.

Domscheit-Berg, who was previously involved with German hacker group the Chaos Computer Club, said Openleaks would begin trials in early 2011 and turn to bigger media later. It currently has 10 members.

"We are already drowning in applications," he said.

More transparent than WikiLeaks, but the guy won't say why WL "strayed from its mission"? Uh-huh.

 

[AdmiralPeacock]

Firstly: Neuromancer FTW

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC23E20101213?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c0.128370:b40216768:z0

Dubbed "Openleaks" (http://www.openleaks.org) and run by Assange's former number two at WikiLeaks Daniel Domscheit-Berg, the site has no content on it at the moment apart from a logo and the message "Coming soon!"

In an interview with the OWNI technology website, Domscheit-Berg declined to go into the details of his dispute with Wikileaks but suggested it had strayed from its mission.

"In these last months, the organization has not been open any more, it lost its open-source promise," he said, adding that Openleaks plans to provide the means for leaked information to be published, without itself being a publisher.

U.S. and other authorities have cracked down on WikiLeaks and Assange since the site started publishing thousands of confidential U.S. diplomatic cables that have embarrassed the United States and other parties around the world.

Assange, a 39-year-old Australian who founded WikiLeaks in 2006, is in policy custody in Britain after a European arrest warrant was issued by Sweden, which wants to question him about allegations of sexual crimes. He denies the allegations.

Domscheit-Berg, who was previously involved with German hacker group the Chaos Computer Club, said Openleaks would begin trials in early 2011 and turn to bigger media later. It currently has 10 members.

"We are already drowning in applications," he said.

More transparent than WikiLeaks, but the guy won't say why WL "strayed from its mission"? Uh-huh.

Secondly: Maybe he's waiting to publish that when he launches properly?

 

[Prolescum]

Openleaks serves no real purpose as far as I can tell. This is from last week:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/openleaks-to-mimic-wikileaksminus-the-political-agenda.ars

Aside from being run like a democracy, OpenLeaks has other operational differences in mind. The group hopes to act as a neutral party "without a political agenda," aside from the goal of disseminating information to the public, that is. The group doesn't even plan to leak the documents to the public directly,instead, it hopes to create a system wherein nonprofits, the media, and important trade groups can access the info in order to process and publish it as appropriate.

The sources didn't discuss how OpenLeaks plans to limit access, though they did discuss developing new technology to deal with the leaked documents. It's possible that OpenLeaks will require organizations to apply for their own log-ins that can be used to access the site, or approved organizations will get access on an IP-limited basis.

Such a strategy seems appropriate if OpenLeaks wants to avoid some of the backlash that WikiLeaks and Assange has seen thus far. Instead of thrusting itself into the limelight, OpenLeaks would simply act as a document repository for news organizations to pillage, putting the editorial control and hard decision-making (such as which details to censor and which to publish) into the hands of actual journalists.

From an ars user whom I agree with:

"OpenLeaks would simply act as a document repository for news organizations to pillage, putting the editorial control and hard decision-making (such as which details to censor and which to publish) into the hands of actual journalists"

If "actual journalists" were actually doing their jobs, we wouldn't need Wikileaks.

The problem is journalists have completely abrogated their duties in order to retain their "access". They aren't going to start rocking the boat now.

OpenLeaks is no WikiLeaks. Its likely to disappear with a whimper.

 

[Case]

Yea, I happen to agree with that as well. Besides, closed access is sort of the opposite of open access. Maybe we wouldn't need as much transparency with respect to the government if the government weren't pushing laws to force the tarnsformation of each citizen into what we call 'glass citizen' ('der gläserne Bà¼rger'). Anyway, if that is the system OpenLeaks plans on using, the ceiling of transparency would be the point where news agencies self-censor. If you don't publish the leaks yourself, news agencies may not feel compelled to publish it too (if others are doing it anyway, we're missing out on a story). Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if the source material cannot be viewed by everyone and we still cannot verify if for ourselves, we would still have to rely on the authority of the organization. Another factor may be dispute. Not everyone agrees on what a certain report actually says. That's blatantly obvious even in science, but if we can't even see the actual source, I figure this would be an even bigger issue (unless said news agencies publish the entire source).

 

[wolfrayet]

Looks like Julian Assange has been granted bail - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989216

 

[Case]

Looks like Julian Assange has been granted bail - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11989216

Wrong thread.

 

[wolfrayet]

Not necessarily, why?

 

[Case]

Can you not read (or rather: understand written language), Sir? In that case my most elaborate explanation would prove in vain.

 

[wolfrayet]

:shock:
What sort of reply is that?

Geezus, some people here just need to get laid. Hmm, maybe the reason why you haven't.

 

[Case]

:shock:
What sort of reply is that?

Geezus, some people here just need to get laid. Hmm, maybe the reason why you haven't.

Oh. So this is your reply to my justified inquiry? I'm sorry but I'll have to disappoint you: uninspired comments like that aren't exactly the way to make a name for yourself here. I suggest you go back to your friends at 4chan, who might share your belief that making such claims provided compensation for the lack of merit evident in your posts.
Now, because I'm a nice person, I will give you a few pointers on what you should have done: read the thread title again, realize you posted in the wrong thread, apologize and perhaps post again in the appropriate thread.

 

[nasher168]

Mod Note:
Let's try to keep things civil, please. Case, your response was a bit terse, and Wolfrayet, your's was unwarranted. If you feel the need to continue arguing, vent your frustration through shouting at a squishy object that looks like the person. Otherwise, my Moderator's Mace might have to come into active service, which would suck.

 

[wolfrayet]

Fair do's Mr Nasher.

But, I can't help noticing there are a number of individuals on these forums that seem to let it go to their heads & they are extremely patronising to boot (just read the last reply to me). I think some think this forum is their own personal site & cannot handle being told otherwise.

Is there an official area on these forums where I can start a thread & address these issues as I think I am not the only one that thinks this way.

BW,

Wolfy.

 

[SpaceCDT]

Fair do's Mr Nasher.

But, I can't help noticing there are a number of individuals on these forums that seem to let it go to their heads & they are extremely patronising to boot (just read the last reply to me). I think some think this forum is their own personal site & cannot handle being told otherwise.

Is there an official area on these forums where I can start a thread & address these issues as I think I am not the only one that thinks this way.

BW,

Wolfy.

I have noticed the same once or twice. Nothing major, but enough for me to think that some people could be a little more polite.

 

[nasher168]

Is there an official area on these forums where I can start a thread & address these issues as I think I am not the only one that thinks this way.

I'm not sure starting a thread would be a good idea since it'd turn into a flame war almost instantly, but the "report" button works well. Every report received gets followed up usually within a day or two, be that publicly or a quiet word in private.
If there's an specific incident you feel is against the rules or just generally dickish, hit "report" or we might end up missing it completely. I, for example, mainly spend time looking at "General Discussion", "Religion and Irreligion" and "Science and Mathematics". I wouldn't think to check a thread in "Pseudoscience" and so a massive flame war might be missed.

 

[afisara]

What do you think of the governments reactions to Wikileaks? Why are they in such a bother about it? Wikileaks is only exercising their freedom of speech. They are not releasing national secrets, unless you count the slaughter of innocent citizens by the militarys hand a secret.

 

[SagansHeroes]

What do you think of the governments reactions to Wikileaks? Why are they in such a bother about it? Wikileaks is only exercising their freedom of speech. They are not releasing national secrets, unless you count the slaughter of innocent citizens by the militarys hand a secret.

I think the government is scared, probably because it has dirtier secrets. I'm pretty sure Julian has stated that he has more damning/dangerous info that he isn't releasing, maybe saving as an "insurance" policy should the US REALLY come after him.... in light of new "leak" sites coming up, I think governments will wish it had stayed at just wikileaks soon >.<

Remember all the huu-rah over Napster? Metallica the most famous cry babies.... all they did was tarnish their reputation and stop one torrenting site... now there's infinite ways to pirate music.... Most bands accepted this and changed to be more live gig orientated... because you can't pirate that, and people love live gigs, AND pay more for gigs.... I also think record labels get a smaller cut...

Regardless, what he has done can't be anything short of exercising his freedom of speech, which the Americans trumpet about proudly only when it's convenient. "What an atheist can't put up a billboard saying the truth... that's an attack on Christianity" but they're so quick to cry freedom of speech when you call them on their BS....

My main concern is it will lead to wider suppression of material on the internet by governments... and then we will live in a pretty freaky/dangerous world...

What the US government and well... fox.... is doing atm, in lying about negative actions (unless it benefits them), constantly talking themselves up as the good guys and manipulating what gets news time and with the right wing turning any non wealthy, male, white, Christian conservative into an enemy (muslims, mexicans, liberals, atheists, anyone who stands up to the government is the enemy)etc... It's pretty borderline propaganda.
Those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them.

 

[Prolescum]

What does any of that have to do with Openleaks?