VyckRo
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Dear Dr. Phil, as you probably already know, I recently launched a discussion challenge addressed to you.
For some time, you have been systematically promoting the idea that there has been a historical conflict between science and the Christian religion. You have claimed that science and religion are in a permanent state of conflict, and that one must die for the other to live.
You have used your entire scientific authority in promoting some concepts such as "Dark Ages", or ideas such as:
- [churches] "burned the combined knowledge, gained by thousands, collected in libraries",
- [religion] "decreed that learning is evil"
- "Western nations were not born of Christian values",
- without Christianity, "Christopher Columbus would have landed on the moon.", or in short, ~The Conflict Thesis", .
Today's atheist slogan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" was popularized by Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996), a professor of astronomy at Cornell University, in New York, who hosted the TV series called "Cosmos",.
The slogan origins in a David Hume (1711 - 1776) maxim on the falsehood of miracles; however, the professor Carl Sagan, highly admired and respected by atheists, spread much misinformation via his TV series "Cosmos" about the relationship between science and religion.
Among the biggest blunders committed by him, are those related to "the burning of the library of Alexandria" and on the "killing of Hypatia as a martyr of science". Unfortunately, the Cornell professor Carl Sagan, never applied his own slogan on his extraordinary claims, about the conflict between science and religion.
After all, this is what I want from you, Dr. Phil,. : to present some evidence for your extraordinary claims. I do not consider that I ask for much, considering that you have asked exactly the same thing from the Christians on Youtube who claim that the Bible is full of scientific evidence, or from the creationists, who believe in a global flood or that the world is 6000-8000 years old.
In the past I have launched two other challenges for you, in which I asked you to clarify your position on the impact of Christianity on the development of the western civilization. You have consistently refused to do that, and you have continued to promote the "Conflict Thesis", whit every opportunity that you have. Furthermore, you seem to operate by the dictum, that sometimes it is better to promote a lie, if that lie will negatively impact your opponent. Still, Dr. Phil, you have far exceeded the phase of "a lie". However, I'm ready to give you the benefit of doubt, and to accept that you really believe what you preach.
Today, when your data has just become public, I can address you personally:
I understand that being a collaborator, perhaps even a graduate of Cornell University,, did indeed influence your perception on the normal relationship between science and religion. After all, one of the founders of the Cornell University is at the same time one of the founders of the "Conflict Thesis". And yes, I am referring to Andrew Dickson White,. Several other persons over the years that had some connection whit the Cornell University have publicly supported the "Conflict Thesis", of which I already mentioned Carl Sagan.
Let's not forget that this university offers an atheist association for its students, the "Atheist and Agnostic Society of Cornell" whose mission is to:
Are you ready to show it?
Do you believe that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" ?
Are you able to bring evidence for a thesis that you have publicly supported on the internet since 2006?
Let me remind you that, so far, all people who were challenged by you have answered. Let me remind you also that so far you have chosen for your discussions only the weakest opponents : TruthfulChristian, VenomFangX, and this guy DLandonCole that nobody had heard of, and in real life, Ray Comfort and Westboro Baptist Church, while, to my knowledge, none of those people have a higher education.
Are you not interested to find out how you will handle a real discussion?
Do you just conform with accepting everything based on blind faith?
I have seen your movies for instance, where you sustain a classical version of the "Conflict Thesis", which in reality, originated in the time of Voltaire, namely that, "Greek science" was brought in Europe from "Islam"...and after that it boomed the Enlightenment.
Or in one of your BlogTv show, one of your friends presented the story, with the opposition of Christianity to anatomical studies; this story is pretty old too, but was presented by Andrew Dickson White in the "History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom", which gave in atheism a beautiful legend, namely that "while in Christianity autopsies were prohibited, in Islam they were widely practiced".
When you meet things, such as the ones above, do you ever question them? Should I remind you of the video with the "girl that prayed for the earthquake"?
Do you take all that is negative about religion to be automatically true, and all that is good about religion as being a lie which must somehow be exposed ? :geek:
I throw you the glove Cornell Dr. Phil, and wait to see your "academic integrity". :!:
For some time, you have been systematically promoting the idea that there has been a historical conflict between science and the Christian religion. You have claimed that science and religion are in a permanent state of conflict, and that one must die for the other to live.
You have used your entire scientific authority in promoting some concepts such as "Dark Ages", or ideas such as:
- [churches] "burned the combined knowledge, gained by thousands, collected in libraries",
- [religion] "decreed that learning is evil"
- "Western nations were not born of Christian values",
- without Christianity, "Christopher Columbus would have landed on the moon.", or in short, ~The Conflict Thesis", .
Today's atheist slogan, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" was popularized by Carl Sagan (1934 - 1996), a professor of astronomy at Cornell University, in New York, who hosted the TV series called "Cosmos",.
The slogan origins in a David Hume (1711 - 1776) maxim on the falsehood of miracles; however, the professor Carl Sagan, highly admired and respected by atheists, spread much misinformation via his TV series "Cosmos" about the relationship between science and religion.
Among the biggest blunders committed by him, are those related to "the burning of the library of Alexandria" and on the "killing of Hypatia as a martyr of science". Unfortunately, the Cornell professor Carl Sagan, never applied his own slogan on his extraordinary claims, about the conflict between science and religion.
After all, this is what I want from you, Dr. Phil,. : to present some evidence for your extraordinary claims. I do not consider that I ask for much, considering that you have asked exactly the same thing from the Christians on Youtube who claim that the Bible is full of scientific evidence, or from the creationists, who believe in a global flood or that the world is 6000-8000 years old.
In the past I have launched two other challenges for you, in which I asked you to clarify your position on the impact of Christianity on the development of the western civilization. You have consistently refused to do that, and you have continued to promote the "Conflict Thesis", whit every opportunity that you have. Furthermore, you seem to operate by the dictum, that sometimes it is better to promote a lie, if that lie will negatively impact your opponent. Still, Dr. Phil, you have far exceeded the phase of "a lie". However, I'm ready to give you the benefit of doubt, and to accept that you really believe what you preach.
Today, when your data has just become public, I can address you personally:
I understand that being a collaborator, perhaps even a graduate of Cornell University,, did indeed influence your perception on the normal relationship between science and religion. After all, one of the founders of the Cornell University is at the same time one of the founders of the "Conflict Thesis". And yes, I am referring to Andrew Dickson White,. Several other persons over the years that had some connection whit the Cornell University have publicly supported the "Conflict Thesis", of which I already mentioned Carl Sagan.
Let's not forget that this university offers an atheist association for its students, the "Atheist and Agnostic Society of Cornell" whose mission is to:
So, I have enough reasons to believe that you, Dr. Phil, did go with the flow, without ever doubting what you were taught. But Dr. Phil, let me read from the Cornell University popular post "Why I'm an Atheist":
So, Dr. Phil do you also practice what you preach? Do you believe in the concept mentioned above ?
Are you ready to show it?
Do you believe that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" ?
Are you able to bring evidence for a thesis that you have publicly supported on the internet since 2006?
Let me remind you that, so far, all people who were challenged by you have answered. Let me remind you also that so far you have chosen for your discussions only the weakest opponents : TruthfulChristian, VenomFangX, and this guy DLandonCole that nobody had heard of, and in real life, Ray Comfort and Westboro Baptist Church, while, to my knowledge, none of those people have a higher education.
Are you not interested to find out how you will handle a real discussion?
Do you just conform with accepting everything based on blind faith?
I have seen your movies for instance, where you sustain a classical version of the "Conflict Thesis", which in reality, originated in the time of Voltaire, namely that, "Greek science" was brought in Europe from "Islam"...and after that it boomed the Enlightenment.
Or in one of your BlogTv show, one of your friends presented the story, with the opposition of Christianity to anatomical studies; this story is pretty old too, but was presented by Andrew Dickson White in the "History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom", which gave in atheism a beautiful legend, namely that "while in Christianity autopsies were prohibited, in Islam they were widely practiced".
When you meet things, such as the ones above, do you ever question them? Should I remind you of the video with the "girl that prayed for the earthquake"?
Do you take all that is negative about religion to be automatically true, and all that is good about religion as being a lie which must somehow be exposed ? :geek:
I throw you the glove Cornell Dr. Phil, and wait to see your "academic integrity". :!:
