NWO )New World Order)

[Equinox]

I doubt that it is possible to run a world government; there would be massive riots and attempts to overthrow the government, mass-slaughters, separatists. Or perhaps would it be like in the movie Equilibrium?
Anyways, they won't succeed. But until then,

 

[Homunclus]

Um, I thought New World Order was supposed to mean a vast encompassing conspiracy to control the globe. Anarchists by definition it would seem would be incapable of that kind of thing.

That is just what they want you to think

 

[PsycoDad]

LOL!

Yeah! CTers are a bunch of nutters!

Astucious indeed.
Now a sober approach:

What makes it so impossible that the NWO exist? A main refutation could be the logistic coordination or the "size" (of the supposed NWO-government) that would make secrecy impossible.

It might be shocking but only 500 individuals from the top US corporations could easily influence the whole US economy thus the G7 economies at least.
Ever heard of the Bilderberger meetings?

My point is : in every game strategy and secrecy is needed for succsess why should global politics be the execption? The very concept of rule since Machiavelli bases on deception and smokescreening.
So why is this idea of "puppet masters" so ridiculous?
If one adopts the idea of the "NWO-World-Government" as a conglomerate of factions fighting each other it becomes a reality. I beg your pardon Sirs but to assume the rich and powerfull would NOT cooperate in some way is naive. Thus the whole "CT-topic" must be a smokesceen to misdirect justified critique (surveillance) or to hide criminal procedures (war). Of course religion is a pice in this puzzle. As most of you might agree (at least this time XD) religion is used for social control.
I will not give way too many thoughts but what do you think about it so far? Absurd? Paranoid? Retarded?

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Well depending on the conspiracy theorist you talk to there are so many NWO's to choose from. You've got the Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Capitalists for the left, the Communists for the right, and of course the standard fall-back: THE JEEEEEEEEEEEEEWS.

My favorite NWO will of course always be when Hulk Hogan went bad

And look!

Compelling evidence indeed.

lmfao!

The only NWO i find likely is a World run by government and corporate interests; the Free Masons are just a secret society that have have run things like the Mafia, The Illuminati died like about 25 years after it was created (some orginizations like the Bohemian Grove and The Skull and Bones Society masquerade as the Illuminati but really aren't (I'd be wondering if the order did survive somehow although that is speculation). Capitalists and Communists NWO would only work of politics and dictatorships were real; which in fact their is always some kind of being behind the throne (Their is a figure greater than the King on the throne I think is my favorite term for it). Jews kind of seem like a stereotype, although one that is somewhat protrayed very good by the community itsel (Albert Einstein taking credit for the ability to split the Atom when he wasn't the one who was able to discover it is a prime example of this theiving greedy stereotype).

Those pictures are good though, got a good laugh out of em.

 

[Th1sWasATriumph]

Jews kind of seem like a stereotype, although one that is somewhat protrayed very good by the community itsel (Albert Einstein taking credit for the ability to split the Atom when he wasn't the one who was able to discover it is a prime example of this theiving greedy stereotype).

Do you mean that jews are in themselves a sterotype, or the commonly held primitive view of jews is stereotypical?

Also, the thing about Einstein being thieving and greedy and taking credit - citation needed.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Do you mean that jews are in themselves a sterotype, or the commonly held primitive view of jews is stereotypical?

Also, the thing about Einstein being thieving and greedy and taking credit - citation needed.

Actually it was about how Einstein stole the credit for finding out how to split the Atom; but here I'm not to sure if this would show it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7182658/The-Legacy-of-Einstein

In all honesty; I was surprised when my math teach at sac city college told me this. I was like "Dirty Jew hehehehehe."

And as far as that is concerned; I was talking about Jew's sometimes create the stereotype on their own because stereotypes are indeed a form of half truth.

 

[kafka_off_the_beach]

NWO? Are we talking about Brett Micheals and Hulk Hogan or the New World Order as imagined by the Nazi hierarchy as they murdered and pillaged their way across the Eastern European steppe?

I'm sure there is come sort of co-operation between industrialized nations, but I highly doubt there is a coordinated plan between nations to enslave or slaughter humans.

An easy way to figure out if someone has any plans for massive genocide is the dispossession or rights and property (and I'm talking about removing your status as a citizen, forcibly removing any wealth and property...not gun control) and then possibly deportation to other locations--if these FEMA camps were real, the people the US gov't intended to wipe out would have already suffered the above.

Plus, in light of the inablity for FEMA to effectively deal with disasters within their area of responsibility (based on budget constraints, manpower constraints etc) by stating they are ready to kill 90% of the US population is giving them more credit than they truly deserve.

Most of Orwell's novels dealt with the oppressive regimes of the Soviet state, which he grew disillusioned with during his time fighting in the Spanish Civil War.

 

[PsycoDad]

NWO? Are we talking about Brett Micheals and Hulk Hogan or the New World Order as imagined by the Nazi hierarchy as they murdered and pillaged their way across the Eastern European steppe?

NOOOO!
Nobody here seems to have got the point!!
The whole Nazi bunch is still in charge (IG Farben???) at least their heirs! Enough evidence has amounted to that fact.
Ask the hand. :geek:

 

[richi1173]

If there is a New World Order, and if they do take over the world, the government is going to have to be Federal. Otherwise, they would be completely overwhelmed either by the wants and needs of the world population or the massive rebellions that would take place.

 

[PsycoDad]

If there is a New World Order, and if they do take over the world, the government is going to have to be Federal. Otherwise, they would be completely overwhelmed either by the wants and needs of the world population or the massive rebellions that would take place.

That,´s why they need a conspiracy smoke screen.

 

[richi1173]

That,´s why they need a conspiracy smoke screen.

Explain?

 

[PsycoDad]

Explain?

The slow deterioration of citizens rights, the cybersecurity laws, the false excuses for waging war would become too obvious without such a smokescreen of "stupidity" spread around such potentially criminal acts. The elites need a bigger time window for creating their favoured authoritarian government system. So they set up truths with lies and let the people quarrel while silently implementing goals that don,´t serve the average citizen but them.
The ridicule that most obviously stupid stories like shapeshifting lizards provoce covers the real issues of GM-food risks or the usage of depleted uranium bullets.
The very term New World Order is misleading as it is the old world order (powerful&filthy rich dynasties) still in charge.
The conspiracy theories,´re a necessary disinfo element.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Explain?

The mind of a conspiracy theorist:

When there's evidence of a conspiracy, there's a conspiracy. When there's no evidence of a conspiracy, it means that the conspiracy is good at hiding their tracks. When there's evidence against a conspiracy, it means the conspiracy is more clever than first assumed. In no case is there ever anything that can be seen as not originating from the conspiracy.

That's why, ultimately, all conspiracy theories are complete garbage.

 

[richi1173]

The slow deterioration of citizens rights, the cybersecurity laws, the false excuses for waging war would become too obvious without such a smokescreen of "stupidity" spread around such potentially criminal acts. The elites need a bigger time window for creating their favoured authoritarian government system. So they set up truths with lies and let the people quarrel while silently implementing goals that don,´t serve the average citizen but them.
The ridicule that most obviously stupid stories like shapeshifting lizards provoce covers the real issues of GM-food risks or the usage of depleted uranium bullets.
The very term New World Order is misleading as it is the old world order (powerful&filthy rich dynasties) still in charge.
The conspiracy theories,´re a necessary disinfo element.

Like Tf00t would say, EVIDENCE PLEASE. But since this is the conspiracy theory thread, evidence is not needed.

I don't think the elite are stupid enough to ultimately institute an authoritarian regime. This system serves them just fine - it keeps the poor and middle classes happy and them in power. If there is a World Government, it would be the same as this one.

The massive guerrilla fighting if the authoritarian regime is instituted will guarantee increasing political instability. The world would become Colombia, with kidnappings and assassinations of elite class members almost on a day to day basis.

 

[PsycoDad]

Like Tf00t would say, EVIDENCE PLEASE.

This is becoming a looong post..
So in the EU as a whole Governments support the creation of databases about their citizens. In Germany an "Krankenkassenkarte" is being introcued where all your personal data is collected. On this card are all your doctor,´s visits, all the medicines you,´ve been taken etc. Your entire vita is saved on this card under the pretence of "lean management" (,§291 SGB V). Yet all the doctors, a company testing the cost/advantage ratio (Booz&Company) collectively disagree. (For france:Carte Vitale 2)
None the less this crappy database is propagandated as the solution. :roll:
Another interesting issue is the "Bundeszentralamt fà¼r Steuern" (BZSt) is allowed to check all your accounts dating three years back (,§93 b Abs. 4 AO in connection with ,§24 c Abs 1"Kreditwesengesetz"). Every financial move you make may be traced back if "necessary". :mrgreen: Of course even foreign banks cooperate.
Proceeding to the ELENA system. Here comes your tax history on one card creating another pool of personal data (,§28 a +b SGB).
Next on my list: the fully RFID equipped personal identification card (using ISO/IEC 14443). Being introduced on 2010 in Germany but also in Belgium, Sweden, Italy, Taiwan, Spain, Austria, Finland and yep the US too.
Common to all these datapools is the amassing of personal data in case you may rise any suspicion anywhere in the future. So just for security concearns (of whom??) the whole population is put under general suspicion. :geek:
These,´re facts look them up if you don,´t comprehend.
Another comon issue is the resulting data pools,´re accessable by a minority with "justified" claims. :lol:
You have no freedom about the usage of your own personal data on a, yea, global scale. Big-Brother IS watching you allready but then he,´ll know every fart of yours on a mouse click.

BTW any "technophobe argument" is a silly attempt that only depicts helplessness.
Anyone having read "Brave New World" or "1984",´ll know that standardized personal databases,´re at the heart of perfect dictatorships. We have the historic oportunity to leave the shakles of the OWO behind and create a future that serves the people instead of a degenerated "elite".
Read "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" by Carrol Quigley for further update on reality :ugeek: