"Not a troll" people

[kenandkids]

It occurs to me that if a few of the people here would actually try engaging in conversations rather than simply spending their time insulting others and engaging in drive-bys, the content would improve. If this upsets you in all of your self righteous glory, ask yourself this:

"When was the last time I posted and didn't negatively address or insult another person."

If it's been five or more posts, this is probably addressed to you! For some of you, it's nearing twenty or so.

 

[Prolescum]

It occurs to me that if a few of the people here would actually try engaging in conversations rather than simply spending their time insulting others and engaging in drive-bys, the content would improve.

Do you mean like calling other members Teafucks, Teathuglicans or posting comments like Bwahaha, I was momentarily concerned that it was only me who found that terribly written or incomprehensible... still not sure which...?

Or is that "quality content"? :lol:

Planks, eyes, yada yada.

 

[kenandkids]

Do you mean like calling other members Teafucks, Teathuglicans or posting comments like Bwahaha, I was momentarily concerned that it was only me who found that terribly written or incomprehensible... still not sure which...?

Or is that "quality content"? :lol:

Planks, eyes, yada yada.

...and your record of number of posts without actual content increases...


edit: Colour me completely surprised that you are the first to take offence and make a response that completely ignores any of the other dozen posts and responses I've made...

 

[Prolescum]

Do you mean like calling other members Teafucks, Teathuglicans or posting comments like Bwahaha, I was momentarily concerned that it was only me who found that terribly written or incomprehensible... still not sure which...?

Or is that "quality content"? :lol:

Planks, eyes, yada yada.

...and your record of number of posts without actual content increases...

So... posing questions about the thread topic has no value either?

You're a hard man to please..

Edit to your edit

edit: Colour me completely surprised that you are the first to take offence and make a response that completely ignores any of the other dozen posts and responses I've made...

I haven't taken offence, I'm online and there's a new thread. I asked you if the examples I gave were the sort of thing you meant. You claim my post holds no content, the evidence disagrees.

 

[televator]

Honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I really miss how varied the views were around here. Nowadays, there's just a handful of "usual suspects" and some rather interesting thread topics have sort of fallen into obscurity.

 

[Prolescum]

Honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around.

I agree. That it happens regularly is absolutely natural. People are offended by all manner of things; you can't tread on eggshells just in case some don't like their view questioned.

I really miss how varied the views were around here. Nowadays, there's just a handful of "usual suspects" and some rather interesting thread topics have sort of fallen into obscurity.

I think a lot of people moved on when the creationists' anti-atheist campaign did likewise. Once the drama died off, it was only a matter of time.

 

[kenandkids]

Honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I really miss how varied the views were around here. Nowadays, there's just a handful of "usual suspects" and some rather interesting thread topics have sort of fallen into obscurity.

This is the exact problem. I know, personally, many people that no longer view and/or contribute because when people here get bored they incessantly pick out one or two or three comments out of a dozen from someone and portray them as bad or else just attack and attack.

Look above and see a great example. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used "teafuck" and yet our resident sniper acts as if it is one of my primary descriptions of others, completely ignoring the majority of what I've posted when none of the above terms or references were used. Ignoring the rest of what I have said is integral and necessary for prole's continued justification for animosity. We've dropped to around twenty regular posters for any given week, and this type of behaviour is a major reason.

I also accept that I can be combative or aggressive, yet I own it and accept it. It also isn't the majority of my posts.

 

[Prolescum]

Okay then, to satisfy kenandkids, I'll hang up my hat. It's no skin off my nose. It's clearly all me; I've seen the light. The majority of my two and a half thousand posts are combative and aggressive troll posts, and I didn't own or accept it.

Moderators, if you would be so kind, please remove all of my posts and close my account; it seems the head honcho round here wants to be the only cunt in the village, and we all know what happens when he doesn't get his way...

To everyone else, thanks for the good times, thanks for the bad times. It was emotional.

[centre][/centre]

 

[Squawk]

Or we could all just STFU and make informative constructive posts.

There's a thought.

 

[televator]

This is the exact problem. I know, personally, many people that no longer view and/or contribute because when people here get bored they incessantly pick out one or two or three comments out of a dozen from someone and portray them as bad or else just attack and attack.

Look above and see a great example. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever used "teafuck" and yet our resident sniper acts as if it is one of my primary descriptions of others, completely ignoring the majority of what I've posted when none of the above terms or references were used. Ignoring the rest of what I have said is integral and necessary for prole's continued justification for animosity. We've dropped to around twenty regular posters for any given week, and this type of behaviour is a major reason.

I also accept that I can be combative or aggressive, yet I own it and accept it. It also isn't the majority of my posts.

I agree. That it happens regularly is absolutely natural. People are offended by all manner of things; you can't tread on eggshells just in case some don't like their view questioned.

It may occur naturally, but like all appeals to the natural, it doesn't make it something we ought to do. There comes a time when people are better off not having their arguments genuinely respected. Like the real racists bunch after it was made clear that their claims were nothing more than confirmation biased, conspiratorial, historical and scientific revisionist BS; as well as what they proposed that ought be done with such "information" in hand. Yet most other times, I don't really thinks it's worth jumping on people for expressing some otherwise benign lack of knowledge or slight lack of rationality in something. It warrants correction and honest demonstration, sure -- but not blatantly mean spirited mockery right from the get go.

Now, I'm not pretending to have been particularly self aware of this position in the past, but I do think I'll keep the rule in mind now.

Prole, I hope you aren't serious about leaving. What happened to becoming friends?

 

[Prolescum]

Prole, I hope you aren't serious about leaving.

Lol, no no, my post was a pastiche.

I agree. That it happens regularly is absolutely natural. People are offended by all manner of things; you can't tread on eggshells just in case some don't like their view questioned.

It may occur naturally, but like all appeals to the natural, it doesn't make it something we ought to do.

Perhaps I should've written that clearer, I meant not that we ought to do it (it's natural to do it), but that it is inevitable on an open discussion forum (that it will occur naturally). That people here are just as capable of bias, irrationality, lack of reason, faulty logic, groupthink, stupidity etc, should be pointed out, criticised, and yes, even mocked. That, of course, includes when it's me; I pretty much receive the amount I dish out.

Case in point: this thread. Obviously aimed at me because two people decided to take issue with my posts (you'll note umbrage was taken with my post, not the other way around) and I responded to both, derailing the thread a bit. Really, this thread is just an extension of an inaccurate criticism of my post masquerading as a general comment on the behaviour of some of the membership at large.

It's a perfectly valid criticism of me to say that I derail threads by picking on a particular post and focusing on something I disagree with/contest/whatever, just as it is that I respond to paragraphs by breaking them down to single points to rebut. Instead of making that point however, we get this rather hilarious attempt to assert that the majority of my contributions here are just insulting everyone and I should probably shut up.

I can accept that mocking someone who describes themselves as an ex-felon in the same thread as offering (apparently legal) guns to randoms on the internet is a bit unfair; it's really no challenge. The 2011 Critical Thinker award is out of reach for that cat.

Whoever he is.

There comes a time when people are better off not having their arguments genuinely respected. Like the real racists bunch after it was made clear that their claims were nothing more than confirmation biased, conspiratorial, historical and scientific revisionist BS; as well as what they proposed that ought be done with such "information" in hand. Yet most other times, I don't really thinks it's worth jumping on people for expressing some otherwise benign lack of knowledge or slight lack of rationality in something. It warrants correction and honest demonstration, sure -- but not blatantly mean spirited mockery right from the get go.

Yeah, you're probably right in the long run, but if we're so thin-skinned when it comes to criticising ourselves (however the particulars), what does that really say about our conviction to critical thinking, rationality, reason et al?

What happened to becoming friends?

Nothing has changed

 

[australopithecus]

People can turn into dicks on the Internet. Who knew? Now is this thread going to do something useful other than attract drama?

 

[Prolescum]

The all new, brand new Doctor Who thread

What a finale! It was a proper belter.

Still haven't seen the last of The Silence either, w00t!

 

[Welshidiot]

IMO if Kenandkids really started this thread just to take a swipe at a fellow member, then he should be banned temporarily, if not permanently.

 

[kenandkids]

Welshidiot:
Just because one person took immediate offence and demonstrates my point, does not mean that this post was directed at that one person. I'm still friendly with a number of people who used to be regular posters here. They all cite the same reasons for leaving, content was becoming more juvenile and LoR has become a pissing patch.


This:

Honestly, I think there's plenty of blame to go around. I really miss how varied the views were around here. Nowadays, there's just a handful of "usual suspects" and some rather interesting thread topics have sort of fallen into obscurity.

 

[Prolescum]

...and kenandkids shows, similar to his inability to correctly identify a quote-mine, that he thinks someone laughing in his face at his own hypocrisy is "taking offence". Or pretends to, at least.

That he thinks he can start this thread moments after I post a response, using the same terminology I was defending myself against (self-righteousness) in that thread, and pretend the two aren't related is just risible. I mean, is he really suggesting we believe that given the above (original post linked up-thread), the following is about a group of members?

If this upsets you in all of your self righteous glory, ask yourself this:

"When was the last time I posted and didn't negatively address or insult another person."

If it's been five or more posts, this is probably addressed to you! For some of you, it's nearing twenty or so.

Especially when his next post says this:

...and your record of number of posts without actual content increases...

Oh I know he'll probably say this is just an example of when I

incessantly pick out one or two or three comments out of a dozen from someone and portray them as bad or else just attack and attack

which, showing his agenda, is just a dishonest mis-characterisation of

I respond to paragraphs by breaking them down to single points to rebut.

The hypocrisy bus won't even stop for passengers...

Methinks that he's being utterly disingenuous here, probably in the hopes that he'll finally get a tongue-bath from a peer or two.


Of course, were I actually offended personally by flame-bait constructed by intellectual Lilliputians, it would be completely clear that was the case; I'm not well known for beating around the bush.

In summary, it is a typical tactic of the intellectually dishonest to characterise those that disagree with them (or in this case, laugh at them) as "taking offence". It is a typical tactic of the intellectually dishonest to misrepresent another's position. It is a typical tactic of the intellectually dishonest to claim you speak for silent others. Need I go on?

 

[Squawk]

I've seen enough.

I encourage disagreement. I encourage argument, dissenting views, even antagonism to a degree. But an open pissing contest I can't abide, hence I have eaten the reply button to this thread.

Anyone with an issue, pm me. No further action taken.