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No Such Thing as an Ex-Christian

BipolarBomber

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I grew up as an Independent Baptist. I was deeply religious. I was in a "leadership role," in my church's youth group. I knew my Bible pretty well and understood the concepts of Fundamentalist Christianity, which is what we were. My Christian friends would usually go to me for "spiritual advice" or questions about the Bible. I was extremely devout, so much so that after High School I enrolled in a Fundamentalist Bible College because I felt God had "called" me to become a Pastor. I was at this college for one semester before giving up my faith.

I am now nonreligious and I am certain I will never again become religious. However, it angers me quite often to see the drivel that comes from Christians about how there is, "no such thing," as an ex-Christian. I have deemed this as what I like to call the infinite loophole. Before High School, when I "knew" that I was saved, I went through a tough time in Middle School. During this time I cried and begged for forgiveness from this God fellow and would repent of my "sin." I did this frequently as I wanted to be right with God. I became "certain of it," by my High School years when, as I said, I became spiritually active.

It is utterly dishonest and inhumane for Christians to tell me that there is no such thing as an ex-Christian. Yes, I know your Bible says it doesn't exist, but I believed the exact same thing as you. I thought as you did, worshiped like you did, witnessed as you did, I believed it fully and sincerely, I had repented, and on more than one occasion gave sermons and lessons to my church on various Christian topics. I believe the most common reference Christians use to purport this lie is the verse, 1 John 2:19 which reads, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

However, I will argue that there are far more verses to defend my claim that I was indeed a Christian (John 3:16, etc.) than the single verse that says that no one has ever left Christianity. They purport this lie and claim that there are no ex-Christians because it gives them a foothold. It lets them say that they have experienced what you're going through, a life without Christ, and that if you only knew how great being a Christian was you would know too!

There are only two things I can say to this claim. First, my life as a Christian while generally good and fulfilling, was shallow. I looked down on nonChristians, often. I pitied them, I did not see them as fellow man. Beyond that I was constantly trying to impress this God fellow and was ashamed of my "sin" every time I did something wrong. Before I became very religious I was an extremely confident child, I was happy with myself. After my devotion I began having some serious self esteem issues, which persist to this day (though they have improved, quite a lot). I am much happier without religion now, even though my family and many friends seriously disagree with my choices.

Secondly, I really want to write an Unholy Bible. Mostly because I want to include one verse in it that basically says there are no such thing as ex-Believers and that everyone who is not a nonChristian now was never a nonChristian to begin with. I think that'd be pretty funny, and quite adequate to parody their position.
 
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I was under the impression (which could be wrong I was never even slightly religious) that there are no 'ex-Christians' because they like to think that if you leave the faith clearly you were never actually faithful!

Or some retarded nonsense like that.
 
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I was also in your predicament. I will admit it was never as bad as your situation but I had to sit through the same ignorant bigotry. I was enrolled into a Christian school simply because my parents felt I would receive a better education through a private school. And yes, I feel that, all things considered, it did make me a smarter and more complete individual. I started to question my faith when I was about 11-13 years young after my Obachan (Japanese for grandma) died in agony from breast cancer. I sincerely thought it was my fault that this happened to her and for a while I condemned myself for not praying enough, not being a good person, the list goes on.

When I finally decided to stop my association with Christianity I remembered a verse that my Bible studies teacher would always bring up in an attempt to get people to make up their minds about Christianity whether it be to accept or deny it. The verse is as follows:

Revelation 3:15-16 (New King James Version)

(15) "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. (16) So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. "

So as you can see I think the BIble doesn't want people who were "on the fence" questioning their faith, they want you to be decisive and even though it's the Bible I can't say that I disagree with it. If you believe something, truly believe in it, don't cling to old thoughts or ideas because these thoughts literally rot your brain with endless scenarios of "O, maybe I should go back". Live your life the way you want to, it really is totally up to you.

Even to this day I still have thoughts of whether or not if I prayed maybe it might help, but in my head I know that no matter how much I would try, it won't help at all...why? Because god is imaginary.

As to your writing idea, if it's really what you would like to do then go for it....I would definitely read it. But, a word of caution, don't be so engulfed in trying to disprove or discredit Christianity because then even though you're not following it, you are still consumed by it. In other words, don't become the opposite extreme that you once were. Extremes are overrated. :D
 
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I used to waste my time trying to disprove and discredit Christianity, back when I FIRST left the faith. But now I'd rather talk about other issues, and I only discuss the Bible and Christianity with Christians when they bring it up. Talking about evolution, social issues, or something along those lines is a lot more beneficial in my opinion.
 
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BipolarBomber said:
Talking about evolution, social issues, or something along those lines is a lot more beneficial in my opinion.

And interesting! Music to my ears. You keep on keeping on ;) .
 
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You're right, they want to say that they were atheists and how christ changed their lives but they shield themselves from the same argument by saying that there's no such thing as ex-chrisitians.
 
arg-fallbackName="VitalApparatuz"/>
Im 38.
Im not stupid.
I've a home ,2 cars (one hot mustang),and two kids that get good grades.
BUT I believed all that jesus shit all my life.Why?Because thats what my parents said.Day after day after day.I would like to think that it was mammalian instincts to trust my parents teaching NOT my lack of intelligence that was to blame for the complete hoodwinking...
I never got any better until I got away from my parents ,then it was some long years of confused thinking until I knew who I was in the world.
 
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just a quite average citizen of the Universe actually with no dominion over beasts of the field or holy angels finding parking spots for me...it sure feels better too.
 
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VitalApparatuz said:
just a quite average citizen of the Universe actually with no dominion over beasts of the field or holy angels finding parking spots for me...it sure feels better too.
You're describing your life, we want to know who you are.
 
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Hey GK, you don't happen to be Jack the Ripper do you? :lol:

Anyone get that or is it way too cryptic?
 
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well GoodKat I apologize.
My name is Jonathan ,son of backward thinking but basically good people. I'm a chef in the southern US.
The intellects of most members here will probably put mine to shame but nonetheless I have what I have and I try to use it to steer myself in the right direction.
Ive been an actual atheist for about 2 weeks so the "shine" hasn't worn off yet (hope it never does either!)
I hope I answered you GoodKat . :)
 
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This is a commonality with a lot of religions. Islam for instance, it much more tolerant of people who have been Christians their entire lives than someone who converted from Islam to Christianity. Apostasy, or leaving the club, is the one sin that monotheistic religions cannot forgive. I guess denying that it could even happen is a big step up from murdering those who do. In the end, you simply can't spend your time dwelling on things like this. Your own intellectual honesty and integrity is worth the alienation.
 
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VitalApparatuz said:
well GoodKat I apologize.
My name is Jonathan ,son of backward thinking but basically good people. I'm a chef in the southern US.
The intellects of most members here will probably put mine to shame but nonetheless I have what I have and I try to use it to steer myself in the right direction.
Ive been an actual atheist for about 2 weeks so the "shine" hasn't worn off yet (hope it never does either!)
I hope I answered you GoodKat . :)
That is your name and aspects of your life and personality, I want to know, who you are.


(giggle)
 
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Otokogoroshi said:
I was under the impression (which could be wrong I was never even slightly religious) that there are no 'ex-Christians' because they like to think that if you leave the faith clearly you were never actually faithful!

Or some retarded nonsense like that.


There is no true christian
 
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Good story.
Ive always wanted to write a parody of the bible too, because its just so cruelly funny.

:lol: Ethics is also a good subject to talk about. Applied ethics especially.
 
arg-fallbackName="kafka_off_the_beach"/>
Honestly, I have no idea who I am most of the time when it comes to faith. I was religious, I wasn't, I was religious, I wasn't, I was partly religious, then I disregarded all religions and chose to appreciate the sex, violence and intriuge of the Olympian gods for purely entertainment value.

The one thing that always bothered me as I got older when it came to faith was: what happened to all the people who preceded this Jesus guy and what about good people who are not christians? it was one of the many questions that made me realize it was nothing more than just a fancy fairy tale with death, sex and power.

I honestly had issues with the idea that "we" were right and everyone else was "wrong." It just seemed a bit racist and a bit...well, elitist. Not to mention all of the wonderful things that European and now American christiantiy has done for this planet...................................yeah, there are some good things, but on the whole, the dumbing down of humanity and exploitation of humans are pretty damning histories.

I never really understood the whole ID thing when it was a big deal in the US earlier this decade--mostly because I was at work before the sun rose and left (if I did) when the sun was long since down...so I had no time or desire to watch the news, so I had no clue. Now that I was able to see what these ID and YEC maniacs are pushing, it infuriates me. All in the name of their big skydaddy who hasn't done anything miraculous in over two millenia.

Needless to say, there are ex-christians just as there are ex-Rush Limbaugh fans and ex-republicans (I fit all three categories).
 
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I wish I could back you up, but looking back at it, I believe my "faith" (I was always a little agnostic about it, honestly) was the product of self esteem issues and the need for a father figure.

It makes me giggle to see theists trying to figure out why we would have rejected god. In my case, I ask why I ever believed in him to begin with. I don't think I was ever a "true" christian. I believed, certainly, but for what many would call the wrong reasons (being the same reasons many do, just tied to more solvable issues).
 
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GoodKat said:
That is your name and aspects of your life and personality, I want to know, who you are.


(giggle)


I know that from somewhere.... I can't put my finger on it, though.
 
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radio_schizo said:
I know that from somewhere.... I can't put my finger on it, though.
Nichols1.jpg


Ring any bells?
 
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