Neil de Grasse, Bill Gates, Mr.Spock, Bill Nye, Sir David Attenborough, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesus Christ: What they have to say about God?

[rationalist]

Neil de Grasse, Bill Gates, Mr.Spock, Bill Nye, Sir David Attenborough, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesus Christ: What they have to say about God, the origin of the universe, its laws, fine-tuning, the origin of life, biodiversity, eternity, and salvation?



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Neil de Grasse Tyson:
Something cannot come from nothing. The Universe is like a giant clock that was wound up and is now winding down. Unless the second law could be violated, that means, the universe had a start. Since that is so, a being must have existed beyond the universe causing the Big Bang. The physical laws of the universe require a lawmaker. The universe is finely tuned for life. Finetuning requires someone that adjusts the universe to permit life. The first cause, the law-maker, the finely tuner is God.

The universe most probably had a beginning
https://******************************/t1297-the-universe-most-probabaly-had-a-beginning

The Kalam leads to the God of the Bible
https://******************************/t2877-the-kalaam-leads-to-the-god-of-the-bible

Laws of Physics, where did they come from?
https://******************************/t1336-laws-of-physics-where-did-they-come-from

Fine-tuning of the universe
https://******************************/t1277-fine-tuning-of-the-universe

Mr.Spock:
The miracle is this: The data demonstrate that the probability of finding even one planet with the capacity to support life falls short of one chance in ten to the one hundred and frothiest power. Since we are unique then what that means is that there's something very very very very special about the origin of life on this planet if we are the only one that's developed life then the origin of life would then have to be an extremely improbable event. The more unlikely, the more probable is God

Life on other planets, a real possibility?
https://******************************/t232-life-on-other-planets-a-real-possibility

Bill Gates:
DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created. The origin of the software, directing the making of factories based on the software instructions is always the result of intelligence. DNA directs the making of Cells which are factories full of machines more complex than any factory made by engineers. The simplest free living bacteria has one point three million base pairs. Chance to get the sequence randomly is ten to the seven hundred thousands of power

DNA stores literally coded information
https://******************************/t1281-dna-stores-literally-coded-information

Coded information comes always from a mind
https://******************************/t1312-coded-information-comes-always-from-a-mind

Sir David Attemborough:
The most extensive genetics study ever completed in the Journal of Human Evolution in 2018, revealed NO genetic evidence for Evolution. Complex assembly information encoded in 33 genetic, and at least 41 epigenetic codes, signaling networks on a structural level in an integrated interlocked fashion explain biocomplexity. Evolution does not produce the complex information stored in DNA, nor the molecular machines and cell factories. The creative act of an intelligent designer and intellect does.

NO genetic evidence for Evolution
https://phys.org/news/2018-05-gene-survey-reveals-facets-evolution.html

Why Darwins theory of evolution does not explain biodiversity
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Bill Nye:
The intelligent design theory is the fundamental idea in all of life science, and all of biology. If you believe in evolution, you're just not going to get the right answer, your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place where you can learn, explore, discover, and be amazed about God's unfathomable creative power. As Sagan said, "When you're in love, you want to tell the world." So once in a while, I get people that claim they don't believe in God. And I ask Why not?

Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Once people die, it's over. No way back and no return. Make the right choice as long as there is time. There will be a time, where you cannot repent anymore and surrender to Christ. Unbelievers are without excuse. God's divine power has been clearly seen in the natural world. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Some will resurrect to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Jesus Christ:
I am Jesus Christ, I am the Lord. I am the way, the truth, and life. I came to the world to die on the cross for your sins. Nobody comes to the father than through me. I have come that you may have life, and have it to the full. If you listen to my voice, you will know me. If you believe and have not received me as your Lord, you can receive me now. See in the description panel of this video, and there is a link where you can find out how to be born again, and receive eternal life.

How you can get Saved!
https://******************************/t2501-how-you-can-get-saved

 

[ldmitruk]

Can we get some Parmesan with all this pasta?

 

[ldmitruk]

Fine-tuning of the universe
https://******************************/t1277-fine-tuning-of-the-universe

Victor J. Stenger on beliefs and science.

He also wrote a great book on why the fine-tuning of the universe is a fallacy. From The Fallacy of Fine-Tuning: Why the Universe is Not Designed for Us by Victor J. Stenger:

"We have seen that the proponents of fine-tuning making serious errors in physics, cosmology, probability theory and data analysis. While not every proponent makes every error, there is a remarkable similarity to the arguments you find in the theist literature, which leads you to suspect that they do not do much research to support their claims beyond simply reading each other's books. let me list the errors of proponents that I have pointed out in the course of this book:

1. They make fine-tuning claims based on the parameters of our universe and our form of life, ignoring the possibility of other life-forms.
2. They claim fine-tuning for physic constants, such as c, h, and G, whose values are arbitrary.
3. They assert fine-tuning for quantities, such as the ration of electrons to protons, the expansion rate of the universe, and the mass density of the universe, whose values are precisely set by cosmological physics.
4. They assert that the relative strengths of the electromagnetic and gravitational forces are fine-tuned, when, in fact, this quantity cannot be universally defined.
5. They assert that an excited state of the carbon had to be fine-tuned for stars to produce the carbon nucleus needed of life, when calculations show a wide range of values for energy level of that state.
6. They claim fine-tuning for the masses of elementary particles, when the ranges of these masses are set by well-established physics and are sufficiently constrained to give some form of life.
7. They assume the strengths of the various forces are constants that can independently change from universes to universe. In fact, they vary with energy, and their relative values and energy dependencies are close to being pinned down by theory, in ranges that make some sort kind of life possible.
8. They make a serious analytical mistake in always taking all the parameters in the universe to be fixed and varying only one at a time. This fails to account for the fact that a change in one parameter can be compensated for by a change in another, opening up more parameters for a viable universe.
9. They misunderstand and misuse probability theory.
10. They claim many parameters of Earth and the solar system are fine-tuned for life, failing to consider that with hundreds of billions of planets that likely exist in the visible universe, and the countless number beyond our horizon, a planet with the properties needed for life is likely to occur many times."
    
    

 

[Sparhafoc]

Otangelo thinks that cherry-picking and quote-mining scientists, actors, business execs and fictional characters makes for a cogent argument with respect to lending credulity to his preferred god's existence. There are no barrels left unscraped.

 

[Sparhafoc]

The miracle is this: The data demonstrate that the probability of finding even one planet with the capacity to support life falls short of one chance in ten to the one hundred and frothiest power.

 

[Sparhafoc]

I am not going to spend time on Otangelo's latest bunch of deceitful crap, but this...

Bill Nye:
The intelligent design theory is the fundamental idea in all of life science, and all of biology. If you believe in evolution, you're just not going to get the right answer, your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place where you can learn, explore, discover, and be amazed about God's unfathomable creative power. As Sagan said, "When you're in love, you want to tell the world." So once in a while, I get people that claim they don't believe in God. And I ask Why not?

Is so obvious an outright lie on Otangelo's part that it deserves consequences.

 

[Sparhafoc]

And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine. But don’t make your kids do it because we need them.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Otangelo - if your belief is true, then why do you need to use lies to argue for it? Lie, lie, lie... how can that reflect any truth?

 

[We are Borg]

Otangelo - if your belief is true, then why do you need to use lies to argue for it? Lie, lie, lie... how can that reflect any truth?

If religion can’t lie they would have nothing at all. There defending a book of fiction not the God they should worship. They need to lie and twist the truth not to gain people in there religion but for there own people in the religion.

 

[*SD*]

Just when y'all thought it was safe to go on the Internet again...

 

[rationalist]

Otangelo - if your belief is true, then why do you need to use lies to argue for it? Lie, lie, lie... how can that reflect any truth?

The speeches were OBVIOUSLY computer-generated. I even point it out CLEARLY in the video description.

What the gentlemen say was computer generated with: https://vo.codes and does not reflect their real-life positions.

If you are desperate to find accusations against me, this one will not stick.

 

[Sparhafoc]

The speeches were OBVIOUSLY computer-generated. I even point it out CLEARLY in the video description.

What the gentlemen say was computer generated with: https://vo.codes and does not reflect their real-life positions.

If you are desperate to find accusations against me, this one will not stick.

So why the fuck did you do it then, you numpty?

How about I make a video pretending you said that Jesus likes young boys?

Would that make for a serious discussion? Is that how real world people behave?

You really don't realize how pathetic your life has become because of this demented obsession. Get a fucking grip already.

 

[rationalist]

So why the fuck did you do it then, you numpty?

How about I make a video pretending you said that Jesus likes young boys?

Would that make for a serious discussion? Is that how real world people behave?

You really don't realize how pathetic your life has become because of this demented obsession. Get a fucking grip already.

better do not respond, than whining. All you have, is complaining. Boring.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Remind me again - in the Bible, which one's the dude that's all about deceit, manipulation, and bearing false witness?

 

[Sparhafoc]

If religion can’t lie they would have nothing at all. There defending a book of fiction not the God they should worship. They need to lie and twist the truth not to gain people in there religion but for there own people in the religion.

But let's not pretend to ourselves that this is the normal way Christians behave. There's nothing normal about this thread at all.

 

[We are Borg]

But let's not pretend to ourselves that this is the normal way Christians behave. There's nothing normal about this thread at all.

Yes and that is why religion needs to disappear from your Society the faster the better it will be.

 

[Nesslig20]

Otangelo, I have called you out on your deceitful attempt to edit a quote such to make it fit your narrative as much as you can...but...this really takes the cake.

This is outright shameful. I hope you get your head out of your ass as soon as possible.

 

[*SD*]

This is outright shameful. I hope you get your head out of your ass as soon as possible.

Who could have guessed his post would be a load of old bollocks, right?!

 

[trokolisz]

i just like the idea of: Hey Atheists Jesus said there is God, you didn't thought about that one for sure.

I don't think that many Atheist even believe in the existence of Jesus (or at least the Jesus described in the bible).
And even if you got 1 000 000 people saying there is a Christian God, you could just as easily find 1 mill people saying Allah exists,
it wouldn't be proof so i don't see how this tread could change the mind of anyone

 

[rationalist]

Otangelo, I have called you out on your deceitful attempt to edit a quote such to make it fit your narrative as much as you can...but...this really takes the cake.

This is outright shameful. I hope you get your head out of your ass as soon as possible.

I am unimpressed with your accusations. That's what you need to know.

The Impossible Faith:

https://******************************/t2502-the-impossible-faith-a-defense-of-the-resurrection

https://web.archive.org/web/20170701150615/http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.php

If you are an unbeliever and doubt God's existence, why don't you try it out? Seek him wholeheartedly, pray and ask Him to reveal himself to you, investigate, read the Biblical scriptures, start with the gospel of John, read the relevant literature that answers your main questions. Remove your bias, your objections, the barriers which are a hindering block, your prejudices. Start praying not just once, but continuously. Daily. If you do so and seek diligently, you will find God. Or better: He will find you, reveal himself to you, give you signs that you will recognize as answers to your prayers. God can change your life, as he has done millions, no. - billions of times in all human history in the life of humble fishermen like the apostle Peter, and kings like David and Salomon. He does not hide as many claim. Recognizing HIM does not depend on him alone but on your mindset and heart. If you fail, it's not HIS fault. Don't blame-shift. If there were no written revelation through sacred scriptures, the Bible, and we would have no knowledge whatsoever of his identity, then yes: You could claim that God is hiding. But that is not the case. Christ came in the name of God the father, but revealing that HE and the father were ONE. He came with a plan to fulfill, advanced in 357 Old Testament prophecies,

Fullfilled prophecies in the bible
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a plan that was unique, unheard, not imagined by anyone. The veil was lifted after his resurrection, and HIS followers investigating scriptures, became aware that HE was the messiah. People imagined God as majestic, powerful, splendorous, magnificent, glorious, sumptuous, a ruler of power. But Christ came as a humble man. Isaiah 53 1 describes him as:

someone that had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

If Christ were one like many others, we would not talk about him today. There are many reasons why God's plan was doomed to failure, and Christ to be forgotten. Here some reasons:

The Impossible Faith: A Defense of the Resurrection
https://web.archive.org/web/20170701150615/http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.php

Neither Here Nor There: Or, A Man from Galilee??
What advantage has religion and geography? To the ancients, "much in every way". Jesus' Jewishness could hardly have been denied by the early Christians, but it was also a major impediment to spreading the Gospel beyond the Jews themselves. Judaism was regarded by the Romans and Gentiles as a superstition. Roman writers like Tacitus willingly reported (not as true, but in the frame of "some say...") all manner of calumnies against Jews as a whole, regarding them as a spiteful and hateful race.

Getting Physical! The Wrong "Resurrection"
"Christianity's pagan critics generally viewed resurrection as misunderstood metempsychosis at best. At worst, it seemed ridiculous."

It may further be noted that the pagan world was awash with points of view associated with those who thought matter was evil and at the root of all of man's problems. Platonic thought, as Murray Harris puts it, supposed that "man's highest good consisted of emancipation from corporeal defilement. The nakedness of disembodiment was the ideal state." Physical resurrection was the last sort of endgame for mankind that you wanted to preach.

What's New? What's Not Good
Roman literature tells us that "(t)he primary test of truth in religious matters was custom and tradition, the practices of the ancients." (62) In other words, if your beliefs had the right sort of background and a decent lineage, you had the respect of the Romans. Old was good. Innovation was bad.

This was a big sticking point for Christianity, because it could only trace its roots back to a recent founder. Christians were regarded as "arrogant innovators" (63) whose religion was the new kid on the block, but yet had the nerve to insist that it was the only way to go! As noted above, Christianity argued that the "powers that be" which judged Jesus worthy of the worst and most shameful sort of death were 180 degrees off, and God Himself said so.

Don't Demand Behavior
Ethically, Christian religion is "hard to do". Judaism was as well, and that is one reason why there were so few God-fearers. Christianity didn't offer nice, drunken parties or orgies with temple prostitutes; in fact it forbade them. It didn't encourage wealth; it encouraged sharing the wealth. It didn't appeal to the senses, it promised: "pie in the sky by and by."

Tolerance is a Virtue
We have already alluded to the problem of Christianity being seen as an "arrogant innovator." Now compound the problem: Not only an innovator, but an exclusivist innovator. Many skeptics and non-believers today claim to be turned off by Christian "arrogance" and exclusivity. How much more so in the ancient world? The Romans were already grossly intolerant ; how much more so in the context of another and very new faith playing the same game and claiming to overthrow the social and religious order? How if a faith came telling us we needed to stop attending our churches (and in fact would prefer we tear them down), stop having our parties, stop observing the social order that had been in place from the time of our venerated ancestors until now?

The message about this Christ was incompatible with the most deeply rooted religious ideology of the Gentile world, as well as the more recent message propagated in Roman imperial ideology. The Christians refused to believe in the gods, "the guardians of stability of the world order, the generous patrons who provided all that was needed for sustaining life, as well as the granters of individual petitions." Jews and Christians alike were accused of atheism under this rubric.

Human vs. Divine: Never the Twain Shall Meet!
Our next factor is related to the one above about resurrection, and it is a problem from both a Jewish and a Gentile perspective. Earl Doherty, a Skeptic, has referred to the incredibility of "the idea that Jews, both in Palestine and across the empire, could have come to believe-or been converted to the idea by others-that a human man was the Son of God....To believe that ordinary Jews were willing to bestow on any human man, no matter how impressive, all the titles of divinity and full identification with the ancient God of Abraham is simply inconceivable." And so it would be: Unless it actually happened, and that "human man" proved himself to be the Son of God. Doherty's "fallacy" amounts to an argument in favor of Christianity.

No Class!
In the ancient world, people took their major identity from the various groups to which they belonged. Whatever group(s) they were embedded in determined their idenitity. Changes in persons (such as Paul's conversion) were abnormal. Each person had certain role expectations they were expected to fulfill. The erasure or blurring of these various distinctions -- stated clearly in Paul, but also done in practice by Jesus during his ministry -- would have made Christianity seem radical and offensive.

Don't Rely on Women!
This one has been brought up many times, but it bears repeating and elaboration. If Christianity wanted to succeed, it should never have admitted that women were the first to discover the empty tomb or the first to see the Risen Jesus. It also never should have admitted that women were main supporters (Luke 8:3) or lead converts (Acts 16).

Many have pointed out that women were regarded as "bad witnesses" in the ancient world. We need to emphasize that this was not a peculiarity as it would be seen today, but an ingrained stereotype. As Malina and Neyrey note, gender in antiquity came laden with "elaborate stereotypes of what was appropriate male or female behavior." [72] Quintilian said that where murder was concerned, males are more likely to commit robbery, while females were prone to poisoning.

But God's plans are perfect and succeed. Billions have found salvation in Christ. You can, too.

How you can get Saved!
https://******************************/t2501-how-you-can-get-saved