Nagging fear of hell

[Koko]

this form of hell would be very "humane" because your nerves would be burned away instantly, so you could never feel the pain.

Technically no, as soon as your flesh is burned away it is replaced to be burned again. And again, and again, and again, for ever and ever amen. Anyway, I thought that upon death your nervous system remained in the coffin, along with the rest of you. It dosen't go off to some sort of parrallel universe of pain and suffering.

Muhammed didn't get to found a major world religion without having a good imagination.

 

[nemesiss]

this form of hell would be very "humane" because your nerves would be burned away instantly, so you could never feel the pain.

Technically no, as soon as your flesh is burned away it is replaced to be burned again. And again, and again, and again, for ever and ever amen. Anyway, I thought that upon death your nervous system remained in the coffin, along with the rest of you. It dosen't go off to some sort of parrallel universe of pain and suffering.

Muhammed didn't get to found a major world religion without having a good imagination.

factually, YES~!
do you know what a 3rd degree burn is?
it's where you nervers are burn away and you are no longer able to feel pain.
with such high amount of flaming heat, the signals NEVER EVER will be able to reach your brain.
even if you would instantly regenerate the flesh, it's instantly burned away which STILL would make it impossible to receive the new pain signals.

but, if you don't have a nerves system, HOW would you be able to feel ANYTHING ?
i would love to hear your reply to explain that...

 

[Laurens]

^ now there's a pointless argument if ever I saw one

 

[Oliver]

I used to fear hell, so I tried to accept Jesus as the saviour of my soul. I couldn't really convince myself of it on one hand, but on the other hand, I felt that the fear of hell indicated I believed in and ergo, I believed that that did bring some validation to my belief of needing to telepathically tap in to the ray that took the punishment I should receive.

I did become concerned that I could be destined for the Islamic idea of hell, but that never took the fear away, it just added to the confusion and made me question if my loyalty to Christ was in the right place.

I conversely had a fear of the dark and of ghosts. I decided to face the fear outright one day and hang around in the dark. When I was doing this I started to feel afraid of standing up to people in my life amongst other determinations I would have to make in my life. And after that experience I no longer feared the dark or hell.

I think I was projecting other fears in my life on to the mystical things like ghosts and hell. If your case is anything like mine, it might be helpful to assess your life and find out what might really be bothering you.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Hey, Olvier -I do believe that I saw you in pointmanzero's chatroom?

I was discussing Morality with Vick and his retarded notion of an absolute objective morality system that he's pulling out of his ass.

 

[Koko]

Thats interesting nemesiss, I never knew that about 3rd degree burns. Still, I don't think Muhammed considered scientific accuracy when he was writing the quran. He also claims that it is hot in summer and cold in the winter because hell exhales and inhales once a year.

I've developed an interest recently in world religions, there differences and commonalities. The hell meme appears fairly late. First of all all religions share an idea that some sort of essence continues after death. The human response to evolving an intelligence level adequate to contemplate our own mortality. I assume that other apes are also capable of this, is a gorilla aware of it's own inevitable death? If anyone knows, please let me know, if so, non human animals may be capable of having some sort of "religious type" thoughts. This idea can be thought of as the common ancestor to all religions. Then there is a split, into some religions that teach reincarnation, others that teach some sort of eternal life is possible if you believe the right stuff and carry out the right rituals. The alternative to eternal life is annihilation, although hell doesn't appear in the Egyptian book of the dead, nor the old testament. However, there is the idea that eternal life is a difficult, almost unobtainable goal, the Egyptians believed your heart was weighed against the feather of truth. If our heart was lighter than the feather, you made it, if not a monster ate your soul. This idea is alive in Christianity today, the gate to hell is wide and the path is easy, the gate to heaven is narrow and the way is hard. Saving your soul is difficult apparently. It isn't until the new testament that the afterlife as a choice between eternal bliss and eternal torture in a hot fire is drawn up, although the descriptions are somewhat vague. Heaven is a place of comfort and being with God, hell is a place of torment with no God. There is also an idea that those who find happiness and success in their earthly life are in danger of hell, but those who find misery and poverty in life have a good stab at getting into heaven. (Lazarus and the rich man). In the mean time, Eastern religions developed an idea of karma and a finite time spent in hell to purify your karma. The Abrahamic religions maintain and insistence on eternal heaven/hell. It isn't until Islam that the concepts of heaven and hell reach their full maturity, with a graphic description. Muhammed also reintroduces the idea of a finite stay in hell for sinful Muslims, Christians Jews and Atheists though, there is no way out.

Anyway, the above is purely my own thoughts and I may be talking rubbish, but I find thinking about how the idea of hell evolved helps to take any lingering fear away.

 

[Andiferous]

i <3 you.

Plato as a disciple of Aristole taught this forthwith (if otherwise, I really want to know.).

Well, actually Aristotle as a disciple of Plato taught this... but it should be noted that Aristotle was not a religious authority, it was merely the enormous respect the ancient world held for him that kept his views on gender and religion popular - as well as other ideas, like the notion that flies have 4 legs... apparently he was so respected that nobody bothered to count clear up through the middle ages.

Thanks for the correction. I agree on that, and the neo-classical just engrained that whole perspective into modern day.

Yes, I get my Aristotle and Plato (as most everything) mixed up.

 

[impiku]

Pascal's wager is getting old. But who cares if hell does exist and you end up in hell? At least, you get to meet and possibly strike up a convo with Nietzsche and make fun of Satan with George Carlin.

 

[JMountain]

I was raised in a fundamentalist church of Christ and didn't stop believing it until I was 16 and then it wasn't until I was almost 21 that I came to terms with the fact that we have no souls and that this life is all we get (23 now). I definitely do not believe in any of the ridiculous teachings of Christianity or any other religion including heaven or hell. Despite this fact I still have the "nagging fear of hell" from time to time. It used to be much worse but has diminished the longer I have realized the idea of hell is total bullshit. To repeat what has already been said in this thread heaven would be just as bad if not worse than hell. Just keep reminding yourself of the truth that hell isn't real (well, is as likely to be real as a monster in your closet or the boogey-man that most of us feared as children).

 

[MindHack]

I was raised in a fundamentalist church of Christ and didn't stop believing it until I was 16 and then it wasn't until I was almost 21 that I came to terms with the fact that we have no souls and that this life is all we get (23 now). I definitely do not believe in any of the ridiculous teachings of Christianity or any other religion including heaven or hell. Despite this fact I still have the "nagging fear of hell" from time to time. It used to be much worse but has diminished the longer I have realized the idea of hell is total bullshit. To repeat what has already been said in this thread heaven would be just as bad if not worse than hell. Just keep reminding yourself of the truth that hell isn't real (well, is as likely to be real as a monster in your closet or the boogey-man that most of us feared as children).

It always pisses me off when I read how people have difficulty leaving indoctrinated and imaginary fears of hell behind. Only a few years ago I couldn't have guessed people were actually afraid of hell at all. It's really wrong and sad religious admins push this idea, evil even.

Anyway, my girlfriend offers exposure therapy to combat irrational fears, but how to expose people to the concept of hell when the concept itself is undefined or referring to nothing?

I used to fear hell, so I tried to accept Jesus as the saviour of my soul. I couldn't really convince myself of it on one hand, but on the other hand, I felt that the fear of hell indicated I believed in and ergo, I believed that that did bring some validation to my belief of needing to telepathically tap in to the ray that took the punishment I should receive.

I did become concerned that I could be destined for the Islamic idea of hell, but that never took the fear away, it just added to the confusion and made me question if my loyalty to Christ was in the right place.

I conversely had a fear of the dark and of ghosts. I decided to face the fear outright one day and hang around in the dark. When I was doing this I started to feel afraid of standing up to people in my life amongst other determinations I would have to make in my life. And after that experience I no longer feared the dark or hell.

I think I was projecting other fears in my life on to the mystical things like ghosts and hell. If your case is anything like mine, it might be helpful to assess your life and find out what might really be bothering you.
I used to fear hell, so I tried to accept Jesus as the saviour of my soul. I couldn't really convince myself of it on one hand, but on the other hand, I felt that the fear of hell indicated I believed in and ergo, I believed that that did bring some validation to my belief of needing to telepathically tap in to the ray that took the punishment I should receive.

I did become concerned that I could be destined for the Islamic idea of hell, but that never took the fear away, it just added to the confusion and made me question if my loyalty to Christ was in the right place.

I conversely had a fear of the dark and of ghosts. I decided to face the fear outright one day and hang around in the dark. When I was doing this I started to feel afraid of standing up to people in my life amongst other determinations I would have to make in my life. And after that experience I no longer feared the dark or hell.

I think I was projecting other fears in my life on to the mystical things like ghosts and hell. If your case is anything like mine, it might be helpful to assess your life and find out what might really be bothering you.

so I thought this is a good way of thinking

 

[Story]

factually, YES~!
do you know what a 3rd degree burn is?
it's where you nervers are burn away and you are no longer able to feel pain.
with such high amount of flaming heat, the signals NEVER EVER will be able to reach your brain.
even if you would instantly regenerate the flesh, it's instantly burned away which STILL would make it impossible to receive the new pain signals.

but, if you don't have a nerves system, HOW would you be able to feel ANYTHING ?
i would love to hear your reply to explain that...

It's kind of fucked up, but the Quran says that once your skin has been burned away, Allah will renew your skin so that you can feel the pain again. This is considered one of those scientific miracles of the Quran, but honestly, considering that many of Muhammed's followers underwent some kind of torture involving searing heat, it's not even surprising that he would have learned that burning someone's skin leads to that person losing feelings in their wounds eventually.

 

[atheist_fox2]

Nope, in fact when I was religious, for a short time, I didn't even bother with the subject as Hell and was even skeptical of it, seeming as if 'Hell' could mean a lot of things in the hebrew tongue, such as 'grave'.

But no, I was never afraid of hell. Never will be either, it's a silly concept. I am no more afraid of going to hell than I am of the Boogey man, seeming as if they fall into the same catagory anyways I am quite awestruck that people, who don't even believe in the concept, can actually fear it. It doesn't make much sense...

 

[Thomas Doubting]

I fear no enemy!
For the Khala is my strength!
I fear not death.
For our strength is eternal.

I've come pretty close to death a couple times and I have to say it doesn't bug me as much as it used to. Now, I'm just so damn tired...

yeah i faced the rotten skelet with his scythe 2 times, bacterial meningitis, pretty close
bad ass car accident resulting in almost 3 months in a wheel chair and over half a year on crutches
to be honest.. i was too busy with myself to even think about thinking about some imaginary attention seeking brat and whatever..

Also think about it.. Hell does sound pretty funny!
eternal torment with fire and chains and stuff, the right thing for a maso like me.
Seriously can you imagine spending eternity with the goodie two shoe bible nerds? (well lets imagine them like that for the sake of the lul) or virgin and sheep humping muslims blown to pieces?
how boring would that place be.. for all eternity.. i'd go psycho and start shredding their souls to bits and demand to be transferred downstairs :mrgreen: