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My world view and proposed laws and political structure

Tsunamie

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Introduction

The objective of this post is to outline my world view and start outlineing key political structures and laws I feel should exist to reach "the optium contry" which can also be refered to as Utopia in these posts. The objective to to eithier confirm and solidify my thoeries about what should happen in the world and help me take the nessary actions to achieve this "utopia" or correct/change my thoery based on the senarios/information discussed forth with.

Disclaimer

I do not claim that my world view is correct and putting it on this forum for review and input. I could be totally wrong on any one of my points. That being said, I also expect reference material (ie links or ISDN book numbers + page numbers) for any position you take. As well as clear outline why you believe I am wrong.

Assumumtions

I write this as a British citizen, so some of the accronimys and companies mentioned are generally british establishments.

Economic world view

Each organization/company can be placed into 3 economic tiers refered to as primary, secondary and teritary tiers.

Primary tier are the foundation of any economy and organizations /companies in this tier can be decribed as companies that focus on the production or mangament of the following product catagories (freash water, food, energy and land.).
Primary tier examples
A Farm which produces wheat is considered a primary tier company as it produces food category products.
A mining company that mines for coal is a primary tier company because it's manages energy category products.

Secondary tier organizations /companies are that provide goods or services that promote the efficieny or effectivness of primary tier companies.
seconday tier examples
A company that produces fertilizer is classed as a seconday tier company as it produces a product that can be used by farmers.
A manufacturer that produces explosives is a secondary tuier company as it produces explosives that can be used in mining.

Teriary Tier organizations /companies produce or manage things that no other tier requires. These companies produce items which soly depend on weather they can convince others to trade for them.
Teriary tier examples
A company that produces jewlery, these items are not required by any other teir within the economic model outlines above and therfore is classified as a member of the terriaty tier.
A sercices company that provides home insurance is not required by any of the tiers above and therfore a member of the teriary tier
With this in mind, any stable society requires a larger lower tier respective it's higher tiers. If you want you can vistalize these thee tiers are a pyrimid where tier 1 is the bottome layer, tier 2 is the se cond layer and the 3rd tier is the tip of the pyrimid.

Why should an economy have a larger primary tier vs secondary and teriary tier? This is to ensure that basic resources required for someone to beable to work in a company in a higher tier is avaiable. Extrame examples of this is that an artist can not exist if they have no food, water, or tools to create there product. All proceeding resources are required before an enviroment for an artist can exist.

Political world view

Based on the statements above, it's logical to conclude that state control and regulation of specific industries is required and exist.

Current systems;

Free market economies are very good at producing new industries which have never existed before. Comunist economy is good for placing sustained investiment into a state requirment.

Examples of companies that were nationalized are police, army, fire brigade, medical health service and many others. There is a fundermental rule that proceeded the nationalization of these industries. It was in the common good of everyone in that group for these services to be nationalized and regulated.

A proposal to create a Utopia is to nationalize retail banks. Eithier force the central bank to provide similare services as retail bank such as saving, ISA's and current services. The BOE can then have back office works work out how much of this cash can be used to buy financial products such as government bonds or other financial products such as buisness loans. (much like the current green bank) The BOE should then come back under direct control of government and be forced to push agenda's such as growth in specific industries allowing for much more direct control over the contires economy. Instead of tax subsidies provided to specific industries, loans with low intrest rates should be provided. (this was you get the same financial insentive for SME's with out the tax payer footing the bill and simplifying the tax system.

Voting system;

I do not like the form of democracy as it stands. The idea that a person who has no knowledge of a medical profession electing someone for there drugs polies is not only scary, it makes no sence. However I do not like the a Comunistic/dictatorship system eithier and therefore came up with the following voing system.

An idea I have been playing with is incorperating "Wideband delphi" estimation technques into a political system. Where by experts of a field/industry were asked to elect and vote for policies in there field. A great example of this is instead of having a head of of central government such as Education minister or transport minister. The industry would elect such a minster and central government would be there to communicate and liase with such ministers and facilitate the election process for these ministers/policies they put forward. For such a system to work thow, you would need a system similare to the ID system that central holds key voter details that allows to verify industry experience to validate who can vote for the policies/minister.


I have more, but I think I have put to much here already,
 
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Tsun,

Your ideas are interesting but not very fleshed out. The tier system is interesting but employment of this system would be extremely uncertain and the potential for corruption quite high. Who decides what tier a business goes? How is this person/persons appointed? Given the rest of your proposal it would be the best political scientists maybe? Would the tiers have any advantages? If so then companies would find ways to game the system and pay off these incredibly powerful men. Men which by your suggestion should not be appointed by the people.

Your second proposal was very much Plato sounding. Let the wise run the government eh? Seems good at first but power will corrupt and this is one thing a true democracy (not republic) is able to easily erase and reject. In the end I find your proposal to be a rough draft. It needs serious fleshing out. You also seem a bit reluctant to really commit to your ideas. Be open, these are just thoughts that flow through our brains, let it out. Your probably not a real threat to anyone and neither am I. It sounds like your a big state run and directed society kind of guy. I tend to fall that way too but I love to play with a new idea. Your tier thing is interesting.
 
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detrean said:
Tsun,

Your ideas are interesting but not very fleshed out.
Your right, my iea's are not fleshed out. This is probably my 3rd iteration.
detrean said:
The tier system is interesting but employment of this system would be extremely uncertain and the potential for corruption quite high. Who decides what tier a business goes? How is this person/persons appointed? Given the rest of your proposal it would be the best political scientists maybe? Would the tiers have any advantages? If so then companies would find ways to game the system and pay off these incredibly powerful men. Men which by your suggestion should not be appointed by the people.
I think there has been some misinterpretation.

The Tier system is a measurement, not a definition tool for taxation. It is simply a way for a government to identify how balanced there economy is in regards to food, water and energy security. While also making sure the country locally takes responsibility for it rather then globalizing it to another area with out thinking about the direct economic impact.
detrean said:
Your second proposal was very much Plato sounding. Let the wise run the government eh?
I am heavily influenced by "the republic" and "machiavellian ethics" which probably shining thought some of my examples.
detrean said:
Seems good at first but power will corrupt and this is one thing a true democracy (not republic) is able to easily erase and reject. In the end I find your proposal to be a rough draft. It needs serious fleshing out. You also seem a bit reluctant to really commit to your ideas. Be open, these are just thoughts that flow through our brains, let it out. Your probably not a real threat to anyone and neither am I. It sounds like your a big state run and directed society kind of guy. I tend to fall that way too but I love to play with a new idea. Your tier thing is interesting.

I have, I posted the idea's here to have them fleshed out and criticised by others. "Have at me if you will" as the saying goes. I am at the end of me sitting alone thinking this idea by my self. I thought I have enough to start some sort of basic discussion about the rules for a utopia in the practical world and I am using the current UK system as an example for change. I don't seem committed to my idea because I am not, I am trying finding the utopia rules and then once I have them. I will work towards getting them enacted. 

If any of my positions are infantile, enlightened me on how to resolve them.

Thanks in advance
 
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