My thoughts on theorists groups.

[Deleted member 1004]

I will openly admit I've been dragged along by some conspiracies in the past. It was only through my total rejection of religion that things really began to turn for other things I believed in (on the classic principle of many others believing, ergo it's the truth).

So yes that's my background towards conspiracies. About a week ago I came to an interesting point on conspiracy theorists:

There appear to be a number of so called "truths" that each camp is pushing. By camp I mean:

- Alex Jones (PrisonPlanet)
- Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist)
- 9/11 truthers
- Nibiru and 2012 theorists
- Government mind control (HAARP, Chemtrails, Lizzardmen etc.)

While this is a very compacted list you can see where I'm going. They each have ideals/demands for the future and want a change in the way things are. However there's a problem that I can see on most of these groups - all of them have fundamental flaws.

It's already pretty clear that Alex Jones and Peter Joseph do not have much to agree on even though they both seek to remove the old systems. However Alex Jones is a Baptist and regularly cites God as his saviour, and a saviour to all. Peter Joseph readily took shots at Christianity in his original Zeitgeist film. To go further with Joseph, he looks to "The Venus Project" as the answer to a sustainable future. The Venus Project however when looked into is something closer to a so called "New World Order" than both Joseph and his followers seem to realise (a totally automated series of super cities where everything is automated, monitored and controlled centrally). You then have so called chemtrail theorists who don't necessarily have to believe in Nibiru, or HAARP theories and are most likely anti-government control. These other groups don't necessarily have to fall into Prison Planet or Zeitgeist groups.

I know the above isn't particularly well written, but the pattern that emerges in my mind from all of this looks like modern day Christianity:

- They are all anti-system in some way (the same way all Christians believe in a God)
- The majority have a leader or figure head leading their cause such as Jones or Joseph (this would be the Jesus-like figure)
- They all follow ideals based around their conspiracy. (the same way Catholics don't necessarily have the same ideals as Mormons)

and the crunch point,

- They don't always agree with one another - to the point of arguments and violence.

My bottom line to all this is, how on earth can they truly expect any great number of rational thinkers to take any amount of thought to the theories they put out, when they themselves are so split up on differences, beliefs and ideologies? Or, how could they expect a great uprising of followers when there are so many distinct groups?

Thanks for reading and I hope this has made some sense

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I'm not sure that it "makes sense" exactly, but there is certainly enough there to have a good discussion.

The way that I see all of them sharing a viewpoint with religions, including Christianity, is that they all claim access to some sort of magically revealed truth about the world. That truth isn't based on any evidence they can share, or claims that can be independently confirmed. Even people like Peter Joseph who don't claim religion as their source still make wild sweeping claims about how things could be without any evidence to back it up.

Ultimately, I think that is the source of all conspiracy theories: the belief of an individual that his personal beliefs, based on guesses and intuition and rumor, are superior to any fact-based claims about the world.

 

[Deleted member 499]

My bottom line to all this is, how on earth can they truly expect any great number of rational thinkers to take any amount of thought to the theories they put out, when they themselves are so split up on differences, beliefs and ideologies? Or, how could they expect a great uprising of followers when there are so many distinct groups?

Thanks for reading and I hope this has made some sense

It's similar to a religion I guess, they pick and choose the bits they like and discard the rest but often don't even realise it. Every since I was (unfortunately) directed towards the David Icke forums I've noticed that they argue over quite a lot but all take tremendous pride in being "woken up". So maybe they see a common theme even when they don't agree on the precise details.

 

[Lallapalalable]

I look at them as people who cant deal with the fact that a lot of life is beyond their control or understanding, and what happens is usually quite scary. Plus they want a tangible target of blame, usually an authority figure, to justify what happened as something they can combat, however futile. There are also elements of an inferiority complex, so they attack common public knowlege and label it as a sham, while they claim to posess some level of super intelligence that allows them to see past the "lies". Ever notice how if you disagree with them you are either a complete idiot, in denial or a vile liar?

That, or they are complete fucking morons and believe anything that enough other people believe in (religion!)

 

[Commander Eagle]

My bottom line to all this is, how on earth can they truly expect any great number of rational thinkers to take any amount of thought to the theories they put out, when they themselves are so split up on differences, beliefs and ideologies? Or, how could they expect a great uprising of followers when there are so many distinct groups?

They don't - at least, the ones capable of rational thought don't (David Icke, obviously, is just stark raving batshit). They pretend to want this, but what they really want is money - and they get that by the bucketful from their legions of followers.

 

[Nemesiah]

The thing that unites the Conspiracy theorists I belive is a distrust of the official media an the goverment and in some cases the entire status quo; In this I actually agree with them; The Media canot be trusted since it is often subjected to economical or political interests and presions; The government I don't trust because at least in my country (and many others I belive) The state is comprised mostly (95% in my country) by self serving assholes/criminals/cretins/lawyers that care about only giving themselves and their sicophants bigger bonuses while keeping the country just above watter so the population doesn,´t rebel; The status quo I don,´t like because it has rich people abusing poor people and the media and religion keep telling the poor to suck it up since it is the only way to be.

From this however conspiracy theorists come to search for culprits and since it is very hard to accept that it is one self the driving agent or the enabler for the world's evils they place the blame on real or fictional agents and then lash out at them. Since they are not going to find much evidence of these misdoings they come to terms with the lack of evidence by creating ever more sophsticated theories about what is wrong; soon the mind preferes intuition to reason (I'm not talking about actually sick people) and then you have a new conspiracy theorists. On the other hand most of them are people that don,´t have much going on for them at the time and if people like their theories this gives them respect and, sin or not, vanity is a human's BFF; and then you get a conspiracy theorist leader who in order to keep his / her fix coming, comes up with more and more "evidence" for his/her theory.

Then there is the sick theorists; people with evident mental imbalances that recall being abducted by aliens, voices wispering depravities, and many other halucinations; this alucinations fueled by society's supresticions become part of the paranormal world, and then instead of being treated go to reinforce their situation by living in a world of their own making in which they keep finding alien devices ingeniously disguised as coyote droppings.

I dont remember the name but there was a fellow that was actually amassing resources to go with a bunch of followers to the arctic circle to look for the entrance to the inner earth so that the reptilians would help us deal with climete change (why are alins always more advenced? couldn't we be more advanced than martians? I mean they don't even have a magnetic field to shield them from the solar winds) was this guy about to put his life and the life of others at risk for th reptilians? or was he just shoting the breeze between jobs?

 

[Deleted member 1004]

This guy I think:

http://www.voyagehollowearth.com/

Steve Currey "was" the most recent one to push it (died July 26 2006). Aside from that, $18,950 to $20,950 sounds like a pretty good deal to visit the inner-earth.