InModiasWeTrust
New Member
Hello,
Modias here. I am not the first person to bring this up I'm sure, so bear with me if you have seen the topic before or if it was in a video, etc. There are two sides to mirroring videos. Input from all of you, especially others who have been vote-botted, false flagged or false-DMCAed, is welcome and wanted. For those of you who are unaware, I run a channel on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/user/InModiasWeTrust which was recently hit with 7,000 1* votes. This occurred directly after Eimajuno received his 22nd false-DMCA and directly before DPRJones was suspended for his third.
I was having a friendly Skype discussion with a friend and fellow YouTuber when the subjects of vote-botting, false-flagging and false-DMCA filing, the lot of which I will hereinafter refer to as "YT cheating", came up. The day before, I had posted a video informing my subscribers that I was hit with 5K one stars and was making my correction to him when he told me that he had received a false-DMCA earlier that day. "Odd," I said to him, "I didn't see your announcement video in my subscription box or I would have mirrored it."
"I didn't make a video," he told me.
After seeing so many angry videos from fellow atheists regarding the victim role their channels had unwittingly played in the recent rash of YT cheating, I was surprised. "Why not?"
"I'm keeping it quiet because whoever is doing these things wants attention. I'm not giving them any more!"
I thought about it for a few minutes and realized that he was absolutely right. This isn't like it was last year... No electronic paper trail leading to PCS or anyone else, just an array of these cheats filed under an impressive variety of names in the DMCA category. This user and I talked a bit further and came to the conclusion that it's very likely these cheats have a common source; a single user or perhaps a small group. It is clear that very few (if any) of the creationists would continue this, as they have surely seen the results at this point... When a user is votebotted, they gain a huge quantity of new subscribers, all eager to vote up their videos. Several comments to my announcement read something like "If you have angered someone enough to vote-bot your videos, you must be worth listening to".
To a degree, the same is true with the other cheats, though the effect is delayed when a suspension is employed. Realizing this, why would anyone who genuinely wanted to silence us continue in this manner? They wouldn't. The conclusion that we came to was that the culprit must be trolling, getting his or her jollies by watching us become collectively angrier and angrier. We are providing entertainment and effectively reinforcing the behavior.
There are obvious benefits to speaking out when people cheat at our expense in that we gain a larger voice, and sometimes a mention by one or more of the larger channels. On the other hand, there are clearly reasons to remain quiet. What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts, not only on silence vs. announcement, but also about other options for dealing with these cheats. I want my voice to grow of course, but more than anything I want this behavior stopped.
Modias here. I am not the first person to bring this up I'm sure, so bear with me if you have seen the topic before or if it was in a video, etc. There are two sides to mirroring videos. Input from all of you, especially others who have been vote-botted, false flagged or false-DMCAed, is welcome and wanted. For those of you who are unaware, I run a channel on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/user/InModiasWeTrust which was recently hit with 7,000 1* votes. This occurred directly after Eimajuno received his 22nd false-DMCA and directly before DPRJones was suspended for his third.
I was having a friendly Skype discussion with a friend and fellow YouTuber when the subjects of vote-botting, false-flagging and false-DMCA filing, the lot of which I will hereinafter refer to as "YT cheating", came up. The day before, I had posted a video informing my subscribers that I was hit with 5K one stars and was making my correction to him when he told me that he had received a false-DMCA earlier that day. "Odd," I said to him, "I didn't see your announcement video in my subscription box or I would have mirrored it."
"I didn't make a video," he told me.
After seeing so many angry videos from fellow atheists regarding the victim role their channels had unwittingly played in the recent rash of YT cheating, I was surprised. "Why not?"
"I'm keeping it quiet because whoever is doing these things wants attention. I'm not giving them any more!"
I thought about it for a few minutes and realized that he was absolutely right. This isn't like it was last year... No electronic paper trail leading to PCS or anyone else, just an array of these cheats filed under an impressive variety of names in the DMCA category. This user and I talked a bit further and came to the conclusion that it's very likely these cheats have a common source; a single user or perhaps a small group. It is clear that very few (if any) of the creationists would continue this, as they have surely seen the results at this point... When a user is votebotted, they gain a huge quantity of new subscribers, all eager to vote up their videos. Several comments to my announcement read something like "If you have angered someone enough to vote-bot your videos, you must be worth listening to".
To a degree, the same is true with the other cheats, though the effect is delayed when a suspension is employed. Realizing this, why would anyone who genuinely wanted to silence us continue in this manner? They wouldn't. The conclusion that we came to was that the culprit must be trolling, getting his or her jollies by watching us become collectively angrier and angrier. We are providing entertainment and effectively reinforcing the behavior.
There are obvious benefits to speaking out when people cheat at our expense in that we gain a larger voice, and sometimes a mention by one or more of the larger channels. On the other hand, there are clearly reasons to remain quiet. What do you think? I would love to hear your thoughts, not only on silence vs. announcement, but also about other options for dealing with these cheats. I want my voice to grow of course, but more than anything I want this behavior stopped.