Merry Christmas everyone!

[Visaki]

And a agreeable New Year.

Honestly I wonder about the people who get their panties in a twist because someone wishes them a merry Christmas (because it has religion in it) or happy holidays (because it doesn't have religion in it). I wonder if those things are mainly a US thing? I think I live in an atheist bubble since I don't really know anyone that is seriously religious, but I don't see any of that "War on Christmas" stuff here in Finland (or hear about it in the rest of Europe).

Also, I'm going to church today. Mainly because my father wants to go to Christmas church (he's religious just that one time every year basically) and visiting the graves (it's a Finnish thing, visiting graves on Christmas) and I don't want him to go alone. Does that make me a bad atheist? Not really a serious question.

 

[ldmitruk]

Also, I'm going to church today. Mainly because my father wants to go to Christmas church (he's religious just that one time every year basically) and visiting the graves (it's a Finnish thing, visiting graves on Christmas) and I don't want him to go alone. Does that make me a bad atheist? Not really a serious question.

Nope it makes you a good person. And who says atheists can't be good and moral without belief.

Merry Christmas and a Happy new year to you also.

 

[Gnug215]

Yes, it makes you a horrible atheist!

Ok, not really.

Well... I guess in reality, it kinda does, but I don't think any of us should care about this all.

Same goes for all the war-on-Christmas crap in the US. It's just another one of those small, PC, "micro-aggression" things that has gone way out of hand, to the point where I think it's one of those things that has contributed (albeit only very slightly) to the general sentiment that has grown over there and led to Trump's win.

The left, the liberals, the PC crowd, the feminists, the anti-racists, the BLM, the SJWs, the KBBL, the OPP, etc., they all did NOT choose their battles wisely, and now I feel they all have a part of the blame for the swinging right.
I guess that kinda sounds like victim blaming to some extent, but well.. I'm not so much blaming as analyzing, because as it looks, I'm not the one who'll feel the brunt of this (whatever is coming, if anything concrete at all).

At any rate, feeling in the right or in the wrong, either one should not exclude bringing reason and logic into play.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Some thoughts:

Celebrate or not. Has no bearing on what kind of atheist you are.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Same goes for all the war-on-Christmas crap in the US. It's just another one of those small, PC, "micro-aggression" things that has gone way out of hand, to the point where I think it's one of those things that has contributed (albeit only very slightly) to the general sentiment that has grown over there and led to Trump's win.


The left, the liberals, the PC crowd, the feminists, the anti-racists, the BLM, the SJWs, the KBBL, the OPP, etc., they all did NOT choose their battles wisely, and now I feel they all have a part of the blame for the swinging right.

The ‘War on Christmas’ and Conservative Political Correctness

Basically, when a majority wines about something (even when it is not real), they will be heard, because they are so loud.

Merry belated Christmas to all.

 

[Gnug215]

Same goes for all the war-on-Christmas crap in the US. It's just another one of those small, PC, "micro-aggression" things that has gone way out of hand, to the point where I think it's one of those things that has contributed (albeit only very slightly) to the general sentiment that has grown over there and led to Trump's win.


The left, the liberals, the PC crowd, the feminists, the anti-racists, the BLM, the SJWs, the KBBL, the OPP, etc., they all did NOT choose their battles wisely, and now I feel they all have a part of the blame for the swinging right.

The ‘War on Christmas’ and Conservative Political Correctness

Basically, when a majority wines about something (even when it is not real), they will be heard, because they are so loud.

Merry belated Christmas to all.

Well, it's "real" in so far as SOMEone has been doing the "happy holidays" thing, and various other minor things (some stories about banning little baby Jesus from some places or something? I don't remember...), which was enough for the conservatives to overreact.

Assholes. All of them!

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Well, it's "real" in so far as SOMEone has been doing the "happy holidays" thing, and various other minor things (some stories about banning little baby Jesus from some places or something? I don't remember...), which was enough for the conservatives to overreact.

Assholes. All of them!

To my understanding, "Happy Holidays" is a way for businesses to still be festive in December, while trying not to offend non-Christians (which I mean other religions and not former Christian atheist). They are free to do whatever they like; which is funny, since conservatives are always paying lip-service to the free market. Now, whether that worked or not is above my pay-grade.

Beyond that, yes, the Nativity scene should not be allowed on public property in the U.S. That is simple Church-State separation. In my opinion, if the public square allows for a Nativity scene, they have to allow for any religion to place things like that. That would mean the Satanic Temple or Muslims can place things there. What do you think the Christians reaction will be than?

 

[Gnug215]

Well, it's "real" in so far as SOMEone has been doing the "happy holidays" thing, and various other minor things (some stories about banning little baby Jesus from some places or something? I don't remember...), which was enough for the conservatives to overreact.

Assholes. All of them!

To my understanding, "Happy Holidays" is a way for businesses to still be festive in December, while trying not to offend non-Christians (which I mean other religions and not former Christian atheist). They are free to do whatever they like; which is funny, since conservatives are always paying lip-service to the free market. Now, whether that worked or not is above my pay-grade.

Beyond that, yes, the Nativity scene should not be allowed on public property in the U.S. That is simple Church-State separation. In my opinion, if the public square allows for a Nativity scene, they have to allow for any religion to place things like that. That would mean the Satanic Temple or Muslims can place things there. What do you think the Christians reaction will be than?

Oh, I agree with what you're saying here, but I'm not really talking about what's right or wrong. I'm thinking more about the "Pick your battles" thing again, because someone, groups of someones, have angered the beast over there, seemingly by latching on to every single progressive/liberal issue and with the typical blind, youthful, over-zealous, under-considered enthusiasm, they have hammered it over the heads of anyone who might even slightly look like they disagree with them, and deemed such persons as downright evil, pretty much.

Some of these people have worked tirelessly for change in their country, but seemingly without asking everyone what kind of change they wanted.