League of Treason

[biology4life]

Replace it with "Jews" and it gets your point across better.

It would still be unfair 'Judaism' would be the equivalent.

The word 'eradicated' does send out all the wrong messages, frankly I'd like it if Islam didn't exist but that does not mean I want the people who are Muslims not to exist. The same goes for Christianity, Hinduism etc. I include the 'moderate' forms of religions as well as I would rather live in a world where people got on with reality, however that in no way means I want to eradicate anybody and I accept that it is probably a fruitless desire what with human nature being what it is.
I do hope this is what Ilikemustard meant however his wording was awful so I might be wrong.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Now you are simply moving the goal post, thus refuting your original analogy.

But even if we ignore that, the comparison isn't any better. The color of your skin is a physical charasteristic. Islam is a religion/ideology/world view. Can you spot difference?

No I have not changed the goal post, all I tried to point out and aparently everyone has failed to see, this isn't about ideology (which is selectable) or skin color (which you can't choose, they are just born that way), it is about stereotypes. And even if it was based on ideology or skin color, it makes absolutly no difference, because you just don't do that shit to people just because they are the way they are.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

There is anotherthing that I would like to discuss. I am making a scipt for a video reply adressing the criticism of the league of reason since the OP in a trolih maner decided to ignore the forum and trolled his way into trying to create drama to youtube. If anyone wants to participate, I can send you the script I have so far (no entierly happy with it but we can change that), it is open for rewriting and i think voicing your opinions on the matter as well (not just mine) could help to improve the message.

If anyone is up for it please pm me.

 

[lrkun]

There is anotherthing that I would like to discuss. I am making a scipt for a video reply adressing the criticism of the league of reason since the OP in a trolih maner decided to ignore the forum and trolled his way into trying to create drama to youtube. If anyone wants to participate, I can send you the script I have so far (no entierly happy with it but we can change that), it is open for rewriting and i think voicing your opinions on the matter as well (not just mine) could help to improve the message.

If anyone is up for it please pm me.

What is a scipt? What is an OP? What is a trolih? What do you intend to do with that video? Does the phrase, don't feed the trolls mean anything to you?

 

[jericomovie]

As someone who has had some experience with people who criticize the group,

I mentioned to Spork that a disclaimer really ought to be made at the beginning of the blogtv shows. It is not fair to you guys to have people like TF represent the community. There are tons of people who watch those shows, and very few of them ever come to look at the forums.

Cheers to your success, but if the discrepancy between the shows and the forum are truly that great, make it explicit to people.

I should say, even when I made my videos, the people who backed me are upset about the shows. That really seems to be all that they care about. It's not you guys.

 

[australopithecus]

That there are people 'upset' about a show on the internet is, well let's put it kindly, a bit excessive.

 

[DeathofSpeech]

There is anotherthing that I would like to discuss. I am making a scipt for a video reply adressing the criticism of the league of reason since the OP in a trolih maner decided to ignore the forum and trolled his way into trying to create drama to youtube. If anyone wants to participate, I can send you the script I have so far (no entierly happy with it but we can change that), it is open for rewriting and i think voicing your opinions on the matter as well (not just mine) could help to improve the message.

If anyone is up for it please pm me.

What is a scipt? What is an OP? What is a trolih? What do you intend to do with that video? Does the phrase, don't feed the trolls mean anything to you?

Script: The text layout for your video... IF you actually put some forethought into a video and want to be clear and precise.

OP: Original Poster... the person starting the thread.

He obviously intends the video to be posted in reply to the drama-rama that the original poster is indulging.

"Does the phrase, don't feed the trolls mean anything to you?"
I am totally in favor of feeding the trolls so long as they are fed to a large carnivore with an inescapable rational point.

 

[jericomovie]

That there are people 'upset' about a show on the internet is, well let's put it kindly, a bit excessive.

I would suspect that the show reaches the ears of enough people that the concern might be justified.

 

[Ilikemustard]

Just do the following exercise. Replace the word muslim with black people, and let's see how far you agree with them.

Replace it with "Jews" and it gets your point across better.

Jews need to be eradicated to. As do Christians, and Buddhists, etc.

Stop thinking I'm suggesting genocide. I mean the religion.

 

[UNFFwildcard]

I mentioned to Spork that a disclaimer really ought to be made at the beginning of the blogtv shows. It is not fair to you guys to have people like TF represent the community. There are tons of people who watch those shows, and very few of them ever come to look at the forums.

Agreed. Right now I am still not sure as to the nature of the relationship between LoR and LoR show. A disclaimer of such would clear up this issue for my myself & others as well as prevent more e-drama from occuring in the future.

 

[Prolescum]

Jews need to be eradicated to. As do Christians, and Buddhists, etc.

Stop thinking I'm suggesting genocide. I mean the religion.

Then you should choose your words more carefully. I suggest you look up the word eradicate. No culture should be totally destroyed, no matter how shit you think it is. Religion and its power will fade on its own with an odd nudge by reason and its favourite cousin logic, this militant bullshit is so counter-productive it's not even funny.

 

[UNFFwildcard]

Jews need to be eradicated to. As do Christians, and Buddhists, etc.

Stop thinking I'm suggesting genocide. I mean the religion.

Um....er.....what? :?

You might want to edit that.

 

[australopithecus]

That there are people 'upset' about a show on the internet is, well let's put it kindly, a bit excessive.

I would suspect that the show reaches the ears of enough people that the concern might be justified.

I still feel I have to point out that the internet doesn't matter. If people are getting bent out of shape over Thunderf00t or his appearence on the show or whatever else then they need to invest their time more productively, like say getting concerned over things that matter. If we're going to get 'concerned' everytime someone on the internet does something dumb then we're going to lead very empty lives.

 

[jericomovie]

I still feel I have to point out that the internet doesn't matter.

This is a subjective claim. It does not matter "to you".
That, alone, is no basis for someone to adopt your own attitude on the matter, is it? If not, then why do you suppose the internet shouldn't matter?

 

[australopithecus]

That, alone, is no basis for someone to adopt your own attitude on the matter, is it? If not, then why do you suppose the internet shouldn't matter?

Because it's bacially a collection code that describes an intanglible series of images and sounds, the importance of which is entirely imposed by the viewer. If you can give me an objective reason as to why tf00t being on the LoR show matters then I'll be bloody impressed.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Because it's bacially a collection code that describes an intanglible series of images and sounds, the importance of which is entirely imposed by the viewer. If you can give me an objective reason as to why tf00t being on the LoR show matters then I'll be bloody impressed.

Amen, d00d. :lol:

People blow everything on the Intertubes way out of proportion to its real importance. That's why the whole "League of Treason" banner was so funny, because in the grand scheme of things none of this stuff matters. I can even live with being a dyslexic Time Lord, because it just don't matter either way.

Some guy that almost none of us knows personally says some things that are pretty dick-ish... why would anyone really care, besides the fact that arguing can be mildly entertaining on occasion?

 

[jericomovie]

Because it's bacially a collection code that describes an intanglible series of images and sounds, the importance of which is entirely imposed by the viewer. If you can give me an objective reason as to why tf00t being on the LoR show matters then I'll be bloody impressed.

All of language is a collection of code, and they all describe ideas, intangible series of images and sounds. Do you suppose language is not important either?

The title, League of Reason, is a label. People wonder, "a label for what?" after watching a show or two, many have come to the conclusion, "oh, the League of Reason is a label for TF and company..." If people here are good with that, then fine. I assume, however, since people are so adamant to point out that TF does not represent this community, that it matters.

 

[australopithecus]

All of language is a collection of code, and they all describe ideas, intangible series of images and sounds. Do you suppose language is not important either?

I suppose people shouldn't assume things based on a title and a single persons appearance on a show.

The title, League of Reason, is a label. People wonder, "a label for what?" after watching a show or two, many have come to the conclusion, "oh, the League of Reason is a label for TF and company..." If people here are good with that, then fine. I assume, however, since people are so adamant to point out that TF does not represent this community, that it matters.

Again, it seems you're falling into the trap of taking the name too seriously, after it has already been explained it's a tounge-in-cheeck joke instigated by Th1sWasATriumph, and if people are assuming the show is TF and company than that's entirely their problem, maybe they shouldn't asume. Who are these many anyway? Can you provide a source for this vague number?

 

[jericomovie]

Again, it seems you're falling into the trap of taking the name too seriously, after it has already been explained it's a tounge-in-cheeck joke instigated by Th1sWasATriumph, and if people are assuming the show is TF and company than that's entirely their problem, maybe they shouldn't asume. Who are these many anyway? Can you provide a source for this vague number?

I understand that, but I hardly think telling me this will do much. I'm not the one that needs to hear that. The controversy that sprung up around my videos was hardly my doing. Like I said, there seems to be a public opinion of the group that is informed almost entirely by the show--fair or unfair, reasonable or unreasonable, as it may be.

Clearly, you are not concerned with how people view the board. That's fine. I've already said that's fine, but your opinion is obviously not the only one on the matter. Not from what I've seen here. Ever since I've started coming here, people have been checking in with me, asking what I thought about the people--was I well received, did I see that people were pleasant, was my opinion changing--given the videos I've done.

If it doesn't concern people, then great, to hell with them, but I for one have received a fair talking-to that would have me suppose people here do care how others see this board. If you're not one of them, then good on you.

 

[lrkun]

I understand that, but I hardly think telling me this will do much. I'm not the one that needs to hear that. The controversy that sprung up around my videos was hardly my doing. Like I said, there seems to be a public opinion of the group that is informed almost entirely by the show--fair or unfair, reasonable or unreasonable, as it may be.

Clearly, you are not concerned with how people view the board. That's fine. I've already said that's fine, but your opinion is obviously not the only one on the matter. Not from what I've seen here. Ever since I've started coming here, people have been checking in with me, asking what I thought about the people--was I well received, did I see that people were pleasant, was my opinion changing--given the videos I've done.

If it doesn't concern people, then great, to hell with them, but I for one have received a fair talking-to that would have me suppose people here do care how others see this board. If you're not one of them, then good on you.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. The question of whether it is true is another issue. The answer is something that one has to prove with proof or evidence, not by public opinion, because public opinion is not always correct, thus there is a need for proof or evidence to support their opinion.

The truth is harsh some of the time. This is so, because it is expected that if one is taught to respect the opinions of others, said person would expect the same from others. Then again, observing reality, the differences of opinion really needs to be respected, because only humans are capable of lying to themselves and believe in it, despite the evidence in front of them.

Of course, the name League of Reason despite its origin, cannot be deemed anything else, except it's literal translation. So it's really deceiving to say that it is anything else. This is something one would observe if they are not familiar with the real origin or reason as to how this forum started. I don't expect the public to know the origin of this forum, unless they do adequate research.

In the end of the day, both side needs to hear each other, and try to settle things. Of course one party has to give way. As to which party it would be, I don't know, but as long as both parties don't rationalize things, there is hope.