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Jesus Camp
- Thread starter irmerk
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monitoradiation
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I shivered when the camp lady said "We're losing the war of fanaticism" (or something to that effect). I don't live in the states, but if that's the mentality of these people...
What bothers me is the whole attitude the parents have against science when they start homeschooling their kids in areas they have no knowledge of. It's so scary when these people go to church, become convinced that "the word" is everything they need to know to live, and then propagate that to their kids.
What bothers me is the whole attitude the parents have against science when they start homeschooling their kids in areas they have no knowledge of. It's so scary when these people go to church, become convinced that "the word" is everything they need to know to live, and then propagate that to their kids.
I saw it when it on TV a few years ago. Scariest movie I'd ever seen. Personally just made me sick to my stomach as I'd never seen anything like it before. I remember in the ending credits when the kids were going around handing out pamphlets and asking people where they were going when they died and when a black man answered "Heaven" they had a sort of odd look on their faces and just wandered off without giving him anything and saying "I think he was Muslim or something". Just hadto laugh at their astonishment to his answer. Great documentary
My favorite part was that there was no narration. The people they recorded created the message and image themselves. They tried to promote their glory but ended up scaring the shit out of people. Did you know they had to close down the camp after this movies release due to vandalism?enterman said:I saw it when it on TV a few years ago. Scariest movie I'd ever seen. Personally just made me sick to my stomach as I'd never seen anything like it before. I remember in the ending credits when the kids were going around handing out pamphlets and asking people where they were going when they died and when a black man answered "Heaven" they just kinda wandered off without giving him anything and saying "I think he was Muslim or something." Great documentary
It still isn't as bad as Kansas. The West Borrow church from Kansas was in Moore, Oklahoma a month or so ago protesting weren't they?irmerk said:Look at where I live. Look. Now pray.
:shock: holy crap lol I did not know that. There are still hundreds possibly 1000's of these in the US though sadly.irmerk said:My favorite part was that there was no narration. The people they recorded created the message and image themselves. They tried to promote their glory but ended up scaring the shit out of people. Did you know they had to close down the camp after this movies release due to vandalism?
I've watched some videos discussing Jesus Camp and read a few unbelievable articles and reviews about it before I decided I had to see this myself.
Since I had some preconceptions about this movie, I had "What the hell?!" and similar thoughts on my mind for the entirety of the video. I wrote a review of this in finnish some time ago, I'll loosely translate it here.
From the first minutes this obese aunt-like walrus wobbles to the screen with his little "brainwashing your friends -for kids" -playsets in his hands I know by the end of this I will be furious. Well, nothing new there, I've received and distributed my fair share of pamphlets and talked/been talked at by these people. Then we got a glimpse of the audience. Barely school-aged kids with their mothers holding them still with this walrus brainwashing the bunch. You really want to send these kids prosletysing their friends?
So I've seen five minutes of this doc and already I was angry. At eleven minutes this walrus-devil talks about the islamic suicidebombers. She idolizes those bombers for having such a strong faith and continues on to describe their methods of schooling these suicidal cases from early childhood in camps, where they learn the "noble art" of suicide bombing. Quoting her words:
14:00
A fundie-mother homeschooling her kid. First she tells that the climate change is nothing to be worried about and then the traditional creation-evolution farce. The boy and his mother both agree that the worries about the climate change are ridiculous(because of the slow temperature rise) and that "If you look at things critically, you will see that creation is the only LOGICAL explanation".
At random intervals, a radio-voice appears, criticizing all the actions shown on this documentary.
33:00
A speech, lasting for few minutes, where the kids are told that sinning might feel nice as a kid, but before you know it, it will take you to hell. This speech is topped of with a cherry matching idiocy with the Comfort& Banana -argument: Harry Potter is from the devil. Warlocks are the minions of satan. So a book-series, that describes youngsters with power groving to know it, use it responsibly and ultimately defeat evil that threatens the world, is a worse example for kids than their ancient tome, where whole nations die, just because lazy bible-thumpers didn't spread the word out. Yeah. Right.
52:00
This whole thing reminds me of a three-day evangelical camp I attended several years ago. Messages relating very, very loosely to the real religious views they hold, repeated countless times over the duration of the day. Every speaker says the same thing, only wording it differently. Brainwashing young kids who have been conditioned for years and you can see the effects right away as the 12-year-old boy tells his stories to another and claims that he almost instantly knows if someone isn't a believer. He immediately gets suspicious and says this person can't be saying anything good.
So we have the next generation of close-minded rednecks ready. They are grown in a bubble, never exposed to opposing views. Until it might be too late and they can't think for themselves no more.
01:06:00
Why if it isn't Ted Haggart telling us that we don't have to think ourselves, the bible tells us what to think. And the example he takes is homosexuals. It didn't take too many months after this when Haggart was caught bying drugs from a male prostitute after their session. "whoops".
01:13:30
The Walrus-lady is describing how the liberals are shaking in their shoes. "How is this possible? What will these kids grow up to be?" She asked the questions trying to show how the liberals are surprised by their single-mindedness. She tries to paint a positive image about how these kids will be determined and dedicated in their causes. Good questions, but she failed to see the real issue about this. "How is this possible? How these brainwashing camps have not been dealt with? What will these kids grow up to be if they're not taught to think for themselves, jus follow blindly what they're told?"
Jesus Camp gives a frightening picture of the future. In order to weed out these extreme views, it will take active fighting for generations. And because in some areas this is the majority of people who do these things, it will be difficult.
Since I had some preconceptions about this movie, I had "What the hell?!" and similar thoughts on my mind for the entirety of the video. I wrote a review of this in finnish some time ago, I'll loosely translate it here.
From the first minutes this obese aunt-like walrus wobbles to the screen with his little "brainwashing your friends -for kids" -playsets in his hands I know by the end of this I will be furious. Well, nothing new there, I've received and distributed my fair share of pamphlets and talked/been talked at by these people. Then we got a glimpse of the audience. Barely school-aged kids with their mothers holding them still with this walrus brainwashing the bunch. You really want to send these kids prosletysing their friends?
So I've seen five minutes of this doc and already I was angry. At eleven minutes this walrus-devil talks about the islamic suicidebombers. She idolizes those bombers for having such a strong faith and continues on to describe their methods of schooling these suicidal cases from early childhood in camps, where they learn the "noble art" of suicide bombing. Quoting her words:
The Insane Walrus-Devil of Jesus Camp said:"I want to see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are in pakistan.... Because we have the truth!"
14:00
A fundie-mother homeschooling her kid. First she tells that the climate change is nothing to be worried about and then the traditional creation-evolution farce. The boy and his mother both agree that the worries about the climate change are ridiculous(because of the slow temperature rise) and that "If you look at things critically, you will see that creation is the only LOGICAL explanation".
At random intervals, a radio-voice appears, criticizing all the actions shown on this documentary.
33:00
A speech, lasting for few minutes, where the kids are told that sinning might feel nice as a kid, but before you know it, it will take you to hell. This speech is topped of with a cherry matching idiocy with the Comfort& Banana -argument: Harry Potter is from the devil. Warlocks are the minions of satan. So a book-series, that describes youngsters with power groving to know it, use it responsibly and ultimately defeat evil that threatens the world, is a worse example for kids than their ancient tome, where whole nations die, just because lazy bible-thumpers didn't spread the word out. Yeah. Right.
52:00
This whole thing reminds me of a three-day evangelical camp I attended several years ago. Messages relating very, very loosely to the real religious views they hold, repeated countless times over the duration of the day. Every speaker says the same thing, only wording it differently. Brainwashing young kids who have been conditioned for years and you can see the effects right away as the 12-year-old boy tells his stories to another and claims that he almost instantly knows if someone isn't a believer. He immediately gets suspicious and says this person can't be saying anything good.
So we have the next generation of close-minded rednecks ready. They are grown in a bubble, never exposed to opposing views. Until it might be too late and they can't think for themselves no more.
01:06:00
Why if it isn't Ted Haggart telling us that we don't have to think ourselves, the bible tells us what to think. And the example he takes is homosexuals. It didn't take too many months after this when Haggart was caught bying drugs from a male prostitute after their session. "whoops".
01:13:30
The Walrus-lady is describing how the liberals are shaking in their shoes. "How is this possible? What will these kids grow up to be?" She asked the questions trying to show how the liberals are surprised by their single-mindedness. She tries to paint a positive image about how these kids will be determined and dedicated in their causes. Good questions, but she failed to see the real issue about this. "How is this possible? How these brainwashing camps have not been dealt with? What will these kids grow up to be if they're not taught to think for themselves, jus follow blindly what they're told?"
Jesus Camp gives a frightening picture of the future. In order to weed out these extreme views, it will take active fighting for generations. And because in some areas this is the majority of people who do these things, it will be difficult.
I think there were two parts that were the most *facepalm*iest momements. The first was when she brought out a cardboard version of Bush and the children had to pray and lay their hands on him. The other was when she started hating on Harry Potter... I mean, I know they belive the bible and all that, but is it really that hard to understand the concept of fiction?
I always loved the thought of preaching. Every church and every pew, they are all saying the same fucking thing. Does it not just get old after awhile? Oh, and I like that confirmation bias of being suspicious of someone. If they turn out to be a Christian, he can blame it on Satan and his influence, but if they turn out to be a non-believer, he was fucking right!Daealis said:This whole thing reminds me of a three-day evangelical camp I attended several years ago. Messages relating very, very loosely to the real religious views they hold, repeated countless times over the duration of the day. Every speaker says the same thing, only wording it differently. Brainwashing young kids who have been conditioned for years and you can see the effects right away as the 12-year-old boy tells his stories to another and claims that he almost instantly knows if someone isn't a believer. He immediately gets suspicious and says this person can't be saying anything good.
That is the Holy Spirit, my friend.GoodKat said:I went several times to comparable camps, they create a pent-up emotional atmosphere that makes it easier to manipulate the children.
I would have to say, maybe, my favorite actual part in the movie is in the beginning when the main lady asks Eli when he became a believer. He says, what was it, around five? He wanted more out of life. It is this bullshit that pisses me off, the kid was brainwashed and then repeatedly told by his homeschooling dumbfuck parents that he was so smart at such a young age because he already knew about Jesus! It is reinforced and reinforced until he is so proud of this fact he says it on fucking camera.
DracoInfernis
New Member
I watched this with a Pastafarian friend of mine some time back, and I think the only way we made it through was with our healthy stockpile of good Belgian ale. This is indoctrination at its worst. Over in one of the VFX threads, I discussed how individuals can use religion as a substitute for healthy social relations -- kids, having a relatively undeveloped social network, would be much more susceptible to this type of replacement, with the result being the stomach-turning brainwashing already mentioned here. I'll join in with the others who have described it as physically painful, or else it would have been if I had been feeling any pain at the time.
Jesus Camp led me more and more towards consideration of at least some expressions of religious belief as a legitimate psychological disorder. I cannot accept that the behaviors exhibited in the film could be considered by any reasonable observer as within acceptable norms. I honestly can't see the difference between what I saw in the film and the types of teachings and behaviors normally associated with cults, and yet it seems mainstream society seems unwilling to label and treat them as such. Inappropriate and sad as it might be to say this, I wonder if one of those unfortunate kids is going to have to lead his friends to another Jonestown before people start really sitting up and taking notice.
"I wanna see them radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are in pakistan.... Because we have the truth!" indeed. No wonder I'm an incurable cynic.
Jesus Camp led me more and more towards consideration of at least some expressions of religious belief as a legitimate psychological disorder. I cannot accept that the behaviors exhibited in the film could be considered by any reasonable observer as within acceptable norms. I honestly can't see the difference between what I saw in the film and the types of teachings and behaviors normally associated with cults, and yet it seems mainstream society seems unwilling to label and treat them as such. Inappropriate and sad as it might be to say this, I wonder if one of those unfortunate kids is going to have to lead his friends to another Jonestown before people start really sitting up and taking notice.
"I wanna see them radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are in pakistan.... Because we have the truth!" indeed. No wonder I'm an incurable cynic.
Artsysiridean
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Bumping a rather old topic.
I went to a place like this in Lynchburg Virginia in my early early teens called "Eagle Eyrie". The place was largely different from what I remember those years ago.
Namely, things that were stressed were stressed wasn't the importance of giving yourself up to one way of thinking. On the contrary the Youth meetings and assemblies were all there tell you to enjoy yourself no matter what, which is a bit naive but heartwarming. Looking back on it now I really wish I spent a bit more time there to make more friends, going in thinking I would hate it because my church seemed somewhat like these people in terms of dealing with those who have slightly or wholely different beliefs.
And the view was insanely beautiful. Living in DC and going from the urban sprawl to a place surrounded by valleys and mountains for the first time is damn near indescribable. You can see beyond the Lynchburg and see for what seems like forever.
What does this have to do with Jesus Camp? Like, nothing really. They're both Christian meeting places and retreats, but one is enthrallng while the other is rather off putting. Which one is which depends on the person.
I went to a place like this in Lynchburg Virginia in my early early teens called "Eagle Eyrie". The place was largely different from what I remember those years ago.
Namely, things that were stressed were stressed wasn't the importance of giving yourself up to one way of thinking. On the contrary the Youth meetings and assemblies were all there tell you to enjoy yourself no matter what, which is a bit naive but heartwarming. Looking back on it now I really wish I spent a bit more time there to make more friends, going in thinking I would hate it because my church seemed somewhat like these people in terms of dealing with those who have slightly or wholely different beliefs.
And the view was insanely beautiful. Living in DC and going from the urban sprawl to a place surrounded by valleys and mountains for the first time is damn near indescribable. You can see beyond the Lynchburg and see for what seems like forever.
What does this have to do with Jesus Camp? Like, nothing really. They're both Christian meeting places and retreats, but one is enthrallng while the other is rather off putting. Which one is which depends on the person.
In an all over scary movie one of the more cringeworthy things I remember is the clip where some of the kids at the camp have been put to bed, you see them almost acting like normal kids, telling jokes and ghost stories in the dark, then an adult comes in and tells them how it's sinful behaviour and they should be praying instead. It might seem like a rather mild scene compared to the other stuff in the movie, but for me it showed that there actually might be a shred of hope for these kids, they weren't completely lost to childhood, and then that tiny hope got dashed against the wall and shattered to a million pieces.