Is evolution a fact?

[Mr_Wilford]

Than he can take his new ban and show all his Christian friends how persecuted he was knowing full well that none of them will check and see his behavior at this evil atheist website.

Well speaking of our evil conspiracy here at LoR, who's brining the sheep to our Monthly Voodoo sacrifice? :twisted:

 

[Dustnite]

What are you? His Mom?

No, but I'll be your Daddy

You could just admit that you're being intentionally obtuse, but that would require a degree of intellectual honesty that I don't believe you possess...

 

[Visaki]

Well speaking of our evil conspiracy here at LoR, who's brining the sheep to our Monthly Voodoo sacrifice? :twisted:

I think Aron has a candidate for that job on the other thread.

 

[thenexttodie]

I don't understand what this has to do with what we were talking about.

It was tying into the fact that throughout the fossil record we see the hind limbs shrinking smaller and smaller and there are still internal vestiges today.

Yes, that's the study I'm referring to, and it's purpose was not to show that whales had legs long ago. That was established a while ago with fossil evidence and the vestigial ball and socket joints we still see in some living whales. The purpose of the study was to figure out why these animals, which we still see grow limb buds for a few weeks before they stop and get reabsorbed, prevent limb formation in the first place and what biochemical pathways cause this.
See below diagram and quote from the paper. .

Do whales have hands?

 

[SpecialFrog]

Do whales have hands?

You keep asking the same question even though it has been answered. Are you trying to run Scientology processes on us?

 

[thenexttodie]

Do whales have hands?

You keep asking the same question even though it has been answered. Are you trying to run Scientology processes on us?

LOL ok whatever dude.

 

[Steelmage99]

Do whales have hands?

OK. I want to play the game.

Let's say that I say; "No. Whales do not have hands". Now what?

 

[Mr_Wilford]

Do whales have hands?

Not in the same sense that humans do, as in it does not function as a hand. But then again...

I see phalanges, metacarpals, carpals, a radius, and an ulna. All those structures make up your hand and wrist. Could you please explain why a whale would have all those same features in their fin? That is an amazing coincidence, do you not agree?

 

[thenexttodie]

Do whales have hands?

Not in the same sense that humans do, as in it does not function as a hand. But then again...

I see phalanges, metacarpals, carpals, a radius, and an ulna. All those structures make up your hand and wrist. Could you please explain why a whale would have all those same features in their fin? That is an amazing coincidence, do you not agree?

And you believe that the mother of all Mammals was a small rodent-like creature that had hands?

 

[Mr_Wilford]

Do whales have hands?

Not in the same sense that humans do, as in it does not function as a hand. But then again...

I see phalanges, metacarpals, carpals, a radius, and an ulna. All those structures make up your hand and wrist. Could you please explain why a whale would have all those same features in their fin? That is an amazing coincidence, do you not agree?

And you believe that the mother of all Mammals was a small rodent-like creature that had hands?

Not hands as in human hands, but a bone structure homologous to human hands. Unless that's how you're defining hand.

But yes, given this trait is fairly well conserved among mammals, the common ancestor of mammals would have had this structure.

Are you trying to make a particular point here?

 

[thenexttodie]

Something like this?

 

[Mr_Wilford]

Something like this?

*sigh*

I can't say what it looked like, thenexttodie. Maybe that rendering is accurate, maybe not. Regardless if it's appearence, it's wrist and paw would have had a bone strucutre homologs to all mammals as we are all related through said ancestor.

I ask again, do you have a particular point here?

 

[Dustnite]

Something like this?

[sarcasm]But if we came from mice, how come Tom and Jerry cartoons still exist![/sarcasm]

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Something like this?

*sigh*

I can't say what it looked like, thenexttodie. Maybe that rendering is accurate, maybe not. Regardless if it's appearence, it's wrist and paw would have had a bone strucutre homologs to all mammals as we are all related through said ancestor.

I ask again, do you have a particular point here?

Thenexttodie is simply JAQing off at this point. Furthermore, that image could not be the "mother of all mammals" because the caption in the image makes it clear it is talking about placental mammals only.