Interlocking boards of directors

[Niocan]

So, I found a neat little site called "They Rule".

Find your favorite company, and see how tied together they are with others... Thoughts / comments? I think it's a great visual aid to see the layout of company interests.

 

[5810Singer]

My thoughts.....

I come from a very politically/socially aware background so I've been aware of this type of corporate behaviour for about 30 years, IE: since childhood.

It's been commented on by many respected political thinkers, and the corporations involved have never publicised their activity, but by the same token they haven't conducted their business in secret either.

I think that with greedy bastards who'd sell their own granny for beer money in charge of multi-national corporations, we really don't need to explain all the evils of the world with NWO conspiracies.

 

[obsidianavenger]

i was briefly amused by my ability to connect safeway to albertsons with only 3 or 4 steps.

 

[Niocan]

5810Singer: I think we're in agreement here, watch out ;P And my view on the position is that the NWO is being far too anthropermorphized into specific people/groups. Granted, these people/groups in question may have large influences but I think it's more of a reflection in the society of collective personal problems; Of which has been exaggerated by the church, state, ect. for thousands of years.. Some of the actual connections like the popular saved map called "The Magnificent seven" are rather frightening when we don't exactly know what goes on in these meetings. It certainly breeds the thought of conspiracy, but just from where they sit we can't say what their individual/collective intents are.

Oh hell, check out the "Yale - 54 corps. within 2 degrees" poplular saved map :twisted:

obsidianavenger: PepsiCo and Coca cola meet through a company called Bristol-Myers Squibb in one step :roll:

 

[5810Singer]

5810Singer: I think we're in agreement here, watch out ;P And my view on the position is that the NWO is being far too anthropermorphized into specific people/groups. Granted, these people/groups in question may have large influences but I think it's more of a reflection in the society of collective personal problems; Of which has been exaggerated by the church, state, ect. for thousands of years.. Some of the actual connections like the popular saved map called "The Magnificent seven" are rather frightening when we don't exactly know what goes on in these meetings. It certainly breeds the thought of conspiracy, but just from where they sit we can't say what their individual/collective intents are.

Oh hell, check out the "Yale - 54 corps. within 2 degrees" poplular saved map :twisted:

obsidianavenger: PepsiCo and Coca cola meet through a company called Bristol-Myers Squibb in one step :roll:

I don't understand your usage of English.

"Anthropomorphized into specific/people groups" ?????

How do you anthropomorphise human beings, or human societies?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphism

And what does anthropomorphication have to do with dividing things into groups?

And then you seem to lose all coherence, frankly you still sound like you're spouting "nu-age" claptrap to me.

BTW, how long do we have to experience "nu-age philosophy" before it becomes old?
It was called "nu-age" when I was a kid, and it had been around for decades even then.

 

[borrofburi]

"Anthropomorphized into specific/people groups" ?????

He's saying the problem with the NWO is that it places all the fears of power onto too few people. He thinks the conspiracies are there, but not as powerful as the NWO-believers think they are.

Anyway, none of this was as interesting as I expected. Actually it was far less interesting than I expected, so many people are on only a few company's boards, it's surprising really, I figured the mean and median would be between 3 and 5. It does however remind me that skill is not all that matters... Makes me wonder if Harvard really is the best business degree you can get, when Yale grads seem to have a lot of influence.

 

[scalyblue]

Wow, who would've thought that people with business degrees who are good at running successful businesses are out there running businesses.

The site is old school, it's been around for at least six years, if there was a powerful global conspiracy with interests in keeping the public ignorant wouldn't it have been taken down by now?

 

[5810Singer]

Wow, who would've thought that people with business degrees who are good at running successful businesses are out there running businesses.

I take your point, but one has to ask the question if all these guys are all interconnected then what happens to free trade?
Free trade requires competition, and there is no real competition in a cartel.

The site is old school, it's been around for at least six years, if there was a powerful global conspiracy with interests in keeping the public ignorant wouldn't it have been taken down by now?

Good point.

But it raises another issue, why are so many people blind to the way that the corporate world actually works?

I see big corporations as "three-card-monty" dealers, only they deal the cards face up, and the public still manages to pick the wrong one.

 

[borrofburi]

I take your point, but one has to ask the question if all these guys are all interconnected then what happens to free trade?
Free trade requires competition, and there is no real competition in a cartel.

It's hardly a cartel. The yale 50 corp 2 degree (btw, it's really 3 degrees, they got that part wrong) is a bunch of corporations that are *loosely* connected. Obviously I don't know their personal relationships with each other, but if all that is connecting these individuals are yale degrees at different times and a couple individuals who happen to tie together largely disparate groups, "cartel" is not a terribly applicable word.

But it raises another issue, why are so many people blind to the way that the corporate world actually works?

I see big corporations as "three-card-monty" dealers, only they deal the cards face up, and the public still manages to pick the wrong one.

Why are so many people blind to the way pretty much everything actually works? I ask this question when I encounter a creationist, I ask this question when I encounter someone who thinks their car runs on magic, I ask this question when people tell me dumb things about probability or are surprised by the birthday paradox or other various probabilistic dilemmas, I ask this question when I encounter someone who doesn't understand the basic structure and flow of a logical argument, I ask this question when I encounter people who can barely use their computer to check email and play video games, I ask this question... Oh I could go on, but it's reached the point of redundancy, the short version is people don't know shit about most things, and it is a frightening phenomena not only in business but in things like evolution, global warming, copyright law, religion, and the very severe problem of exponential growth of the human race.

 

[scalyblue]

An example: practices like price fixing are illegal, at least in the states, so for somebody to be on several boards puts their actions under the SEC microscope. Even if they are unethical and wish to conduct price fixing, they would need to do so in a manner that doesn't appear to be price fixing, which in the end accomplishes the same objective as not price fixing to begin with. Also, just because somebody is on a board doesn't necessarily mean that they have enough of an influence on the corporate governance to make sole decisions for the company, and if those decisions weren't good for the company the stockholders will fire that boardmember.

 

[Niocan]

I don't understand your usage of English.
"Anthropomorphized into specific/people groups" ?????
How do you anthropomorphise human beings, or human societies?

The term "NWO" is being shaped into a group of shady bankers in a dark round table room all laughing at our demise because of their choices; While I think this might happen in some areas it isn't just one physical group. I take the perspective of the reflection of our own problems based on Jungian models, and because of that I believe these reflections are based on segregating actions taken in the past (The corruption of the church / vatican).

And then you seem to lose all coherence, frankly you still sound like you're spouting "nu-age" claptrap to me.
BTW, how long do we have to experience "nu-age philosophy" before it becomes old?
It was called "nu-age" when I was a kid, and it had been around for decades even then.

Haha, my friend these teachings are based in the time of Socrates and Plato in greek which in turn are based in Egyptian inscriptions. This is hardly a new concept, and I only pick these topics because I find them interesting and I can't read/speak Sanskrit or the language of the I-Ching.

 

[5810Singer]

I take the perspective of the reflection of our own problems based on Jungian models, and because of that I believe these reflections are based on segregating actions taken in the past (The corruption of the church / vatican).

If I understand your use of English here (and it's not at all clear if you don't mind me saying so), you think that segregating actions taken by powerful bodies in the past have influenced our current world-view, and the belief in potential NWOs.

Which is probably true to some extent, however those past actions were nearly always enacted in plain view.
The totalitarian organisations that implemented them were hardly ever reticent about their beliefs, or political ambitions.

Wither conspiracy?

Haha, my friend these teachings are based in the time of Socrates and Plato in greek which in turn are based in Egyptian inscriptions. This is hardly a new concept, and I only pick these topics because I find them interesting and I can't read/speak Sanskrit or the language of the I-Ching.

Hmm....ORLY?

I started studying matters esoteric before I was 10yrs old, and that's why I have no respect for "new-age spirituality/philosophy".
It's always struck me as a mix-n-match, cherry-picking activity, and as soon as any given philosophy starts to disagree with the viewpoint of the "new-ager" in question they drop it and go looking for something that chimes with their own beliefs.

BTW, yes the philosophers of classical Greece based some of their works on Egyptian writings.......emphasis on some of their works,...not all,...and the ancient Greeks and Egyptians still got a lot of things badly wrong, they're not always reliable sources, that's undeniable.

As for the I-Ching,...after studying it for a little while I decided that the I-Ching has nothing to offer on any level,...I don't know anyone who takes it seriously, not even most "new-agers" take it seriously, so....you've totally lost me there.