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In Prison for life

arg-fallbackName="King Tyrant Lizard"/>
Ozymandyus said:
Wow, the general consensus is actually for sending a 14 year old boy, who was horribly abused and broken, to jail for the rest of his life.
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If he was abused and broken then there was even less hope of him ever being able to function in society, and thus more reason to not feel like we've lost anything. Sorry if this too much of an ugly reality for most of your sensibilities, but it is a reality.
 
arg-fallbackName="GoodKat"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
If he was abused and broken then there was even less hope of him ever being able to function in society, and thus more reason to not feel like we've lost anything. Sorry if this too much of an ugly reality for most of your sensibilities, but it is a reality.
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It would take at least a full psychological analysis to determine with any chance of being right whether or not he's salvageable. You haven't even watched an interview with him.
 
arg-fallbackName="irmerk"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
If he was abused and broken then there was even less hope of him ever being able to function in society, and thus more reason to not feel like we've lost anything. Sorry if this too much of an ugly reality for most of your sensibilities, but it is a reality.
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Your unjustified guess that a fourteen year old boy has no hope of being rehabilitated means no one should try? "Ahh, it's probably not going to work... Let's just not even try and put the kid in a rehabilitation and correction system but pretend it's actually a punishing seclusion system."
 
arg-fallbackName="King Tyrant Lizard"/>
There was already a 95+% chance of him being hopeless before the fact of his being abused and broken was available, and that only sends the chances down towards almost zero. Just based on these facts there is a 99.9%+ chance of there being no hope. So, yes, the chances of him being saveable are so remote even attempting it isn't worth the effort.
 
arg-fallbackName="ebbixx"/>
Ozymandyus said:
Wow, the general consensus is actually for sending a 14 year old boy, who was horribly abused and broken, to jail for the rest of his life.
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Hardly the general consensus. Only a handful of forum members have waded into this issue. Perhaps some of us are too depressed by the lack of compassion and open mindedness in some of these defenses of the sentence, as well as by the fact of the sentence itself and what it implies about the "justice system"?
 
arg-fallbackName="PuppetXeno"/>
yes, one can feel sorry for a psychopath, but a psychopath (whatever his age) won't feel sorry for you, his victims, family of his victims, or anything, including himself, for that matter. There's probably a good reason to lock him up forgood.
 
arg-fallbackName="GoodKat"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
There was already a 95+% chance of him being hopeless before the fact of his being abused and broken was available, and that only sends the chances down towards almost zero. Just based on these facts there is a 99.9%+ chance of there being no hope. So, yes, the chances of him being saveable are so remote even attempting it isn't worth the effort.
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What could you possibly be basing that prediction off of?
 
arg-fallbackName="irmerk"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
There was already a 95+% chance of him being hopeless before the fact of his being abused and broken was available, and that only sends the chances down towards almost zero. Just based on these facts there is a 99.9%+ chance of there being no hope. So, yes, the chances of him being saveable are so remote even attempting it isn't worth the effort.
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Aside from the fact that what you said meant, "There is a 95% or more chance of him being hopeless, and after the fact of him being abused and broken is taken into account the chance of him being hopeless is almost zero." This means, in short, he is hopeful.

So, where do you get these figures and what justifies them?
 
arg-fallbackName="irmerk"/>
PuppetXeno said:
yes, one can feel sorry for a psychopath, but a psychopath (whatever his age) won't feel sorry for you, his victims, family of his victims, or anything, including himself, for that matter. There's probably a good reason to lock him up forgood.
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What deems him a psychopath, much less an incurable psychopath?
 
arg-fallbackName="irmerk"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
Well, he did stab a kid to death one time over their backyard wrestling match.
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This makes him hopeless? I fail to see your reasoning. The point is to your, "Readily available facts" quote, you made the assertion. When you make an assertion, be prepared to back it up.
 
arg-fallbackName="PuppetXeno"/>
i've dealt with psychopaths professionally.. They are by definition incurable. Although not entirely conclusive, minor brain damage is involved in developing psychopathy. And i do not have enough insight in this case, my guess is that those involved in this judgement have more material to go by, so yeah...
 
arg-fallbackName="Ozymandyus"/>
ebbixx said:
Hardly the general consensus. Only a handful of forum members have waded into this issue. Perhaps some of us are too depressed by the lack of compassion and open mindedness in some of these defenses of the sentence, as well as by the fact of the sentence itself and what it implies about the "justice system"?
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Didn't I say this myself? Twice? But yes, that is certainly what happened - it was hard to wrap my mind around.

Anyway, we have seen people rehabilitated from situations like this. Certainly from age 14, when people barely know themselves yet. We owe it to someone who the system failed so terribly to try our best. Instead, we don't try at all. That is the injustice here.

To throw out statistics like 99.9% is completely ignorant. Even If 99.9% were true, it is an indictment of our prison/rehabilitation methods, not of humanities capability of overcoming adversity.

This is how miscarriages of justice like this happen, fools like KTL get on the juries.
 
arg-fallbackName="ebbixx"/>
Ozymandyus said:
Didn't I say this myself? Twice?
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Yes. My bad. I guess I was too heartsick by the time I got to the post I responded to, to bother reading the posts that came after that.
 
arg-fallbackName="Ozymandyus"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
I think name calling is beneath you.
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I think you are beneath me. :D Kidding of course...

But no... it's not. Sweet of you to say though, I wish I was a better person and that it was, but occasionally a good name-calling just makes me feel better.
 
arg-fallbackName="Ozymandyus"/>
King Tyrant Lizard said:
Oh, never mind then. I guess it is right on your level.
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If calling a fool a fool is wrong, I don't want to be right! And if assuming that you know someone can't be rehabilited and that we shouldn't even try after reading two sentences about a case isn't foolish, I'm not quite sure what is. But anyway, sorry if I offended you, that was not my primary purpose. I hope you recover.
 
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