If we were meant to live forever, why do we die?

[Andiferous]

I caught this quote in a movie last week and it made me say "yeah..." and after a few minutes "Yeah!" It makes perfect sense to me, otherwise we'd have to assume that mortality was nothing more than a divine litmus test. What do you think?

 

[scienceguy8888]

well that is only if you take the view that we were created, had a purpose, ect

otherwise, well "meant" is giving meaning to something that doesn't have it, basically, answering the question with: "cause evolusion hadn't worked out how to live forever yet"

 

[Andiferous]

Exactly my thinking. Generally, those who believe in eternal life/soul tend to also assign meaning to it. The 'meant' part of the quote is not necessary except to speak to that assumption. (Assuming that those supporting theism and souls also support the idea of meaning and eternity).

This question stunned me a few minutes and I suspect it is an almost impossible question to answer to satisfaction, no matter what ones' belief or the degree of ones' faith in eternity.

The only possibly explanation has to do with human punishment, etc. Exile from eden, never having eaten of the Tree of Life. But so often everything comes to that and this tends to make god look rather petty and unforgiving.

But even so, it really puts a hamper on a person's perspective, I think? Why make us die. If we're eternal anyway.

 

[lrkun]

I caught this quote in a movie last week and it made me say "yeah..." and after a few minutes "Yeah!" It makes perfect sense to me, otherwise we'd have to assume that mortality was nothing more than a divine litmus test. What do you think?

Because we were not meant to live forever, we die. ^,^

If we were meant to live forever, then we won't die.

-oOo-

The problem lies on the premise, it has no basis, it is a mere presumption, a romantic presumption of immortality. ^,^

 

[Andiferous]

Suppose I claim people are meant to live forever - and you've got to admit you can't disprove me. So then what?

 

[lrkun]

Suppose I claim people are meant to live forever - and you've got to admit you can't disprove me. So then what?

In this case you have the burden of proof for you made the positive claim, but for the sake of disproving your claim, I'll give you a tour of the grave yard. ^^

 

[Andiferous]

Suppose I claim people are meant to live forever - and you've got to admit you can't disprove me. So then what?

In this case you have the burden of proof for you made the positive claim, but for the sake of disproving your claim, I'll give you a tour of the grave yard. ^^

Consecrated or not? It matters to me.

Because my soul is me and all that, and it lives forever despite my mortal dust.

 

[lrkun]

Consecrated or not? It matters to me.

Because my soul is me and all that, and it lives forever despite my mortal dust.

What do you mean?

 

[Andiferous]

I mean that I can imagine most Christian bible study groups studying this very question and researching the answer within god's word; and I begin to think that many if not most religions tend to centre toward answering this very question without really answering it. Or, giving cryptic clues only attainable with bible study and guided interpretation.

Original sin, in xianity, sentenced humanity to death, and Jesus opened the gates to heaven and immortality. But why all the fuss therein and inbetween?

The Christian bible rather starts and ends on this question.

It's very easy to refute but cannot be disproven unequivocally. It is much harder to justify it from another point of view...

I feel a need to understand before I criticise.

 

[lrkun]

I mean that I can imagine most Christian bible study groups studying this very question and researching the answer within god's word; and I begin to think that many if not most religions tend to centre toward answering this very question without really answering it. Or, giving cryptic clues only attainable with bible study and guided interpretation.

Original sin, in xianity, sentenced humanity to death, and Jesus opened the gates to heaven and immortality. But why all the fuss therein and inbetween?

The Christian bible rather starts and ends on this question.

It's very easy to refute but cannot be disproven unequivocally. It is much harder to justify it from another point of view...

I feel a need to understand before I criticise.

If the question is why do they want others to believe that there is life after death, then the answer is very simple, so that others will believe in god in order to get inside the pearly gates.

Why do people want to live forever? It is because they may have enjoyed their life here on earth and they want to continue such, and if they lived a life of suffering, they hope that when they die, they will live a better life in heaven or the next.

Simply stated, it is a solution to the yearnings of man for something higher and unexplainable, the so called spirit or so they say (believers).

 

[borrofburi]

I caught this quote in a movie last week and it made me say "yeah..." and after a few minutes "Yeah!" It makes perfect sense to me, otherwise we'd have to assume that mortality was nothing more than a divine litmus test. What do you think?

Actually, that's what a ton of mormons, christians, and muslims actually believe...

 

[Andiferous]

It's very easy to refute but cannot be disproven unequivocally. It is much harder to justify it from another point of view...

I feel a need to understand before I criticise.

If the question is why do they want others to believe that there is life after death, then the answer is very simple, so that others will believe in god in order to get inside the pearly gates.

Why do people want to live forever? It is because they may have enjoyed their life here on earth and they want to continue such, and if they lived a life of suffering, they hope that when they die, they will live a better life in heaven or the next.

Simply stated, it is a solution to the yearnings of man for something higher and unexplainable, the so called spirit or so they say (believers).

I suspect you are correct to an extent. Still, you've given me no reason to take your word for this assertion.

And I agreed with you too.

I caught this quote in a movie last week and it made me say "yeah..." and after a few minutes "Yeah!" It makes perfect sense to me, otherwise we'd have to assume that mortality was nothing more than a divine litmus test. What do you think?

Actually, that's what a ton of mormons, christians, and muslims actually believe...

Yeah, for some life is a judgement of worthyness, and in others life is a school to perfection. I imagine it's very commonly at the heart of (dare I say) all.

 

[lrkun]

I suspect you are correct to an extent. Still, you've given me no reason to take your word for this assertion.

And I agreed with you too.

Hehe, it's from a supreme court ruling in my country, where they held that man has a yearning for higher things. (36 o.g. 822)

 

[Andiferous]

I suspect you are correct to an extent. Still, you've given me no reason to take your word for this assertion.

And I agreed with you too.

Hehe, it's from a supreme court ruling in my country, where they held that man has a yearning for higher things. (36 o.g. 822)

:shock:

That said, I suspect law is not very usefull without its arguments. You might as well carve rules in stone and put em on a mountain top.

 

[lrkun]

:shock:

That said, I suspect law is not very usefull without its arguments. You might as well carve rules in stone and put em on a mountain top.

The law is useful. I only cherry picked the portion where they were defending religion hehe. What can I say, there are those who really want to believe. :/

 

[Andiferous]

:shock:

That said, I suspect law is not very usefull without its arguments. You might as well carve rules in stone and put em on a mountain top.

The law is useful. I only cherry picked the portion where they were defending religion hehe. What can I say, there are those who really want to believe. :/

See, lawyers would have taken note of the not very usefull portion of the above and then made sure to notice the IF part because they like to confuse people with too many specifics I didn't say law was not useful.

When I was younger, I took it upon myself to not only proof spelling, but also edit and rewrite large legal documents that made no sense to any normal and sane person, but then I learned that lawyers don't like that. They like words.

 

[lrkun]

When I was younger, I took it upon myself to not only proof spelling, but also edit and rewrite large legal documents that made no sense to any normal and sane person, but then I learned that lawyers don't like that. They like words.

The fallacy is called special pleading, lawyers focus on that which will benefit their case.

 

[Andiferous]

When I was younger, I took it upon myself to not only proof spelling, but also edit and rewrite large legal documents that made no sense to any normal and sane person, but then I learned that lawyers don't like that. They like words.

The fallacy is called special pleading, lawyers focus on that which will benefit their case.

You speak very ill of lawyers. By the way, sorry, ninja-edited.

I'm now questioning the value of law. I've got enough on my mind with religion and eternity, tho. Fortunately we just have to prove that stuff and don't have to worry about the rest. Hehe.

 

[lrkun]

You speak very ill of lawyers. By the way, sorry, ninja-edited.

I'm now questioning the value of law. I've got enough on my mind with religion and eternity, tho. Fortunately we just have to prove that stuff and don't have to worry about the rest. Hehe.

Hehe, don't generalize based on my say so. Lawyers are nice, smart, and sweet people. wee

 

[Andiferous]

Careful there. In doing so you may speak ill of yourself, since saying that would indicate that you espouse the principle that the law is only useful to win with.

You may also make the law look evil, which is a double whammy on lawyers and yourself by extention.

I'll give you time in the reading corner as this is in the philosophy forum, and you're looking quite evil, and I await a return to the topic. Perhaps debate lawyers in the debate section.

EDIT: You cheated with edit. You said you admire lawyers.