quantumfireball2099
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Sorry if this has been posted already. This is pretty damn amazing.
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Gunboat Diplomat said:For example, when asked to name an American city with airports named after a World War 2 hero and World War 2 battle, it guessedToronto[... which, as we all know, is not an American city.
Intelligence is rather hard to nail down: what is it? How do you know what we do to question jeapordy answers via processes similar to page rank? We certainly sort lists in a much more pathetic way than computers do...Gunboat Diplomat said:However, despite appearances, I still don't think Watson demonstrates any sort of intelligence. You can see how mechanistic it is and its lack of any sort of understanding by some of the mistakes it has made. Judging by their (admittedly basic) description of how it works and seeing how it played, it looks like it does something similar to Google's PageRank algorithm with what it believes to be the relevant words in a question. As it turns out, the results are usually correct but, unfortunately, they still don't represent intelligence...
Although... we have the same problem. I couldn't answer the question either, because there isn't enough information in my brain about world war 2, airports, and cities...Gunboat Diplomat said:For example, when asked to name an American city with airports named after a World War 2 hero and World War 2 battle, it guessed Toronto... which, as we all know, is not an American city. Watson didn't know this? No it didn't because, in a very real sense, Watson doesn't "know" anything! There just weren't enough associations between World War 2, airports and cities in the bodies of text used to build Watson's database...
But isn't this also a case of watson not having the database information that we humans have? We have a database that is built off our own experiences, and viewing movies is a very long time experience (as opposed to, say, learning that laguardia is in NYC (unless you've been there of course)), so it makes sense that we're likely to have this stored... Watson on the other hand didn't spend 2 hours, decide the movie was good, and want to learn more about it (perhaps in hopes of finding similarly good movies), and thus might not even have that information let alone those associations..Gunboat Diplomat said:One incident in the games that I found interesting was how weak Watson was in the "actors who direct" category compared to its human opponents. I believe what happened here was that this was a particularly easy subject for the humans. If you recognized the movies at all, and they were all famous movies, it's trivial to know who the director is and that the director was an actor was irrelevant.
Did you even watch the matches? It was surprising enough to be noteworthy!MineMineMine said:i actually didn't know that.^^Gunboat Diplomat said:For example, when asked to name an American city with airports named after a World War 2 hero and World War 2 battle, it guessedToronto[... which, as we all know, is not an American city.
I disagree with your characterization here. The whole point of Watson is to answer questions from a body of knowledge. The questions posed to it are to be in a natural language but it gets its information from a database: what I think you would call "old information..."Not 'knowing' is the point of watson and they could've chosen to feed watson also some dictionaries which would've helped him in actors who direct category but beaten the point of it. (i think)
The purpose of watson is not to recall old information but to process new information. And it's different from google's pagerank because it tries to do some kind of semantical analysis of data, something which google does not.
Intelligence is difficult to define but, like many other things whose definition is difficult to specify, it's often clear what it is not...borrofburi said:Intelligence is rather hard to nail down: what is it? How do you know what we do to question jeapordy answers via processes similar to page rank? We certainly sort lists in a much more pathetic way than computers do...
But I grant you that this makes Watson look like you could hold a conversation with it on Shakespeare or whatever, and you really couldn't. I also grant you that intelligence is hard, we seem to have all the components of it, but can't quite combine them right to make actual intelligence... I just don 't want to discount the impressiveness of its ability to parse jeapordy answers.
...but we don't have the same problem. Yes, neither you nor I could answer that question. That's not what disappointed me about Watson. While we couldn't answer the question, neither you nor I would have guessed Toronto as a possible answer because we know that Toronto is not an American city. Watson could not eliminate it as a possible answer because it doesn't actually think. It does some sort of statistical analysis of the relationships between words in bodies of text. It doesn't "know" anything about Toronto in the same way that we know things. It just so happened that in the text used to build its database, its algorithms didn't rank any American city higher than Toronto so that 's what it guessed, without any notion that it was already disqualified as a valid answer...Although... we have the same problem. I couldn't answer the question either, because there isn't enough information in my brain about world war 2, airports, and cities...Gunboat Diplomat said:For example, when asked to name an American city with airports named after a World War 2 hero and World War 2 battle, it guessed Toronto... which, as we all know, is not an American city. Watson didn't know this? No it didn't because, in a very real sense, Watson doesn't "know" anything! There just weren't enough associations between World War 2, airports and cities in the bodies of text used to build Watson's database...
I find it highly unlikely that the human players saw most of the movies in that category. However, all those movies were highly advertised and all the actors who directed those movies were very famous. This is what made them easy questions for the humans but there's no such thing as an easy (or hard) question for Watson. It crunches the numbers for that question just like it would any other...But isn't this also a case of watson not having the database information that we humans have? We have a database that is built off our own experiences, and viewing movies is a very long time experience (as opposed to, say, learning that laguardia is in NYC (unless you've been there of course)), so it makes sense that we're likely to have this stored... Watson on the other hand didn't spend 2 hours, decide the movie was good, and want to learn more about it (perhaps in hopes of finding similarly good movies), and thus might not even have that information let alone those associations.Gunboat Diplomat said:One incident in the games that I found interesting was how weak Watson was in the "actors who direct" category compared to its human opponents. I believe what happened here was that this was a particularly easy subject for the humans. If you recognized the movies at all, and they were all famous movies, it's trivial to know who the director is and that the director was an actor was irrelevant.
You're not reacting harshly at all. I share your frustration when something amazing was done and someone else is unimpressed by it. I assure you that I recognize that Watson is a great accomplishment. I'm confident that it will have a great impact in many industries and it's certainly something I could not do myself. I guess it just wasn't what I was hoping for...I'm probably reacting a bit harshly. It seems every time we have an impressive advance of technology in AI we're told "oh, that's very nice honey, but it's not very... intelligent..."