ImprobableJoe
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You're pretty well married to your logical fallacies, aren't you? :facepalm: You do realize that we're trying to be helpful here, right?g-off said:Well let's take a look at what the substance that christians would posit would be:
-impossible to detect via any of our senses (otherwise the absence of evidence argument doesn't work)
-Is within view of everything in the universe, or at least everything on earth (otherwise could not be omniscient)
-Has the ability to influence our universe (this is a given for him to have created it)
My point is that you cannot have all three properties at once. If he is everywhere in the universe and yet we cannot detect him, whatever substance he is made of does not disturb energy and thus cannot interact with matter (or observe it for that matter).
He could also be omnipresent and have the ability to influence our universe, but in that case we would be able to detect him, and since we haven't we can determine that this is not the case.
The only other option is that he is not omnipresent and thus is too far away for us to detect. In this case, he would not be able to influence us specifically because his influence could not exceed the speed of light, and he would not be able to observe us for the same reason.
So, as I said before, whatever substance they come up with for such a god, it cannot be involved in our lives and be undetectable at the same time.
You haven't exhausted all options, which is why you're wrong here. It could be something that manifests to everyone but you, in ways that are just really really hard for anyone to detect. You can't say for sure, you can't logically rule things out in a universal fashion. Scientists have suggested(not asserted) that there might be other universes, that we cannot in any way detect. If they cannot be detected, and cannot influence our universe, they might as well not exist. There's a big gap between "might as well not exist" and "cannot possibly exist" that you simply can't make a logical leap to. You're just wrong here.