History Expert on Youtube?

[airandfingers]

Hi guys,
I love the division of labor that has emerged within the Youtube debunking community:
DonExodus2 - biology
AndromedasWake - astronomy
AronRa - paleontology
potholer54 - geology
Thunderf00t - uhh.. physics?
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - logic?
C0nc0rdance - ..science?

but one specialist I haven't encountered is a historical specialist - someone who could argue about whether Jesus could have been born in Bethlehem, poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

 

[theyounghistorian77]

Hi guys,
I love the division of labor that has emerged within the Youtube debunking community:
DonExodus2 - biology
AndromedasWake - astronomy
AronRa - paleontology
potholer54 - geology
Thunderf00t - uhh.. physics?
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - logic?
C0nc0rdance - ..science?

but one specialist I haven't encountered is a historical specialist - someone who could argue about whether Jesus could have been born in Bethlehem, poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

The Good news. I study history
The Bad news. My focus is the 20th century. I don't consider Ancient and Roman History [if that is what you're looking for] to be my Forté

Sorry!

 

[Gnug215]

Hi guys,
I love the division of labor that has emerged within the Youtube debunking community:
DonExodus2 - biology
AndromedasWake - astronomy
AronRa - paleontology
potholer54 - geology
Thunderf00t - uhh.. physics?
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - logic?
C0nc0rdance - ..science?

but one specialist I haven't encountered is a historical specialist - someone who could argue about whether Jesus could have been born in Bethlehem, poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

Hi there, and welcome!


I'd add a few things to that list, I think.
AronRa - Taxonomy.
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - Philosophy.
C0nc0rdance - Molecular biology (I think...)

Oh, and while Potholer deals a lot in geology, he's actually "just" a science reporter. I think there are other geologists out there, but I don't recall right now.

I'd also add another "philosopher", namely: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheoreticalBullshit

As for the historian, we sort of have one here on these boards! *pokes theyounghistorian*
Edit: I see he just posted.

Other than that, there are a number who deal with historical and theological aspects, such as this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/brettppalmer

And of course: http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH

I guess you could kind of add this guy, too: http://www.youtube.com/user/Evid3nc3

Then I'd also add a Psychology genre, to which I'd add this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/AntiCitizenX
(He has an excellent series on "The Psychology of Belief".)

 

[MRaverz]

I think c0nc0rdance is a biochemist, which is pretty close to molecular biology.

 

[nasher168]

Can't think of any major ones off the top of my head... History in general seems to be neglected amongst the internet rationalist community.

On the sort-of topic of history, I take a particular casual interest in the period between Alexander's death and the rise to power of Augustus in Rome. It's such a diverse period and civilisations are colliding violently across the Mediterranean and Middle East. So much happened that you just couldn't make up.

 

[kenandkids]

DeistPaladin has some very good videos on the historicity and conflicting accounts in the bible.

 

[airandfingers]

Thanks everyone, I'll check out all the channels you mentioned Already checked out TheoreticalBullshit, that was fun. Wonder why he hasn't posted anything for months, though..

Thanks again!

 

[VyckRo]

Hi guys,
I love the division of labor that has emerged within the Youtube debunking community:
DonExodus2 - biology
AndromedasWake - astronomy
AronRa - paleontology
potholer54 - geology
Thunderf00t - uhh.. physics?
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - logic?
C0nc0rdance - ..science?

but one specialist I haven't encountered is a historical specialist - someone who could argue about whether Jesus could have been born in Bethlehem, poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

Hi there, and welcome!


I'd add a few things to that list, I think.
AronRa - Taxonomy.
TheraminTrees/QualiaSoup - Philosophy.
C0nc0rdance - Molecular biology (I think...)

Oh, and while Potholer deals a lot in geology, he's actually "just" a science reporter. I think there are other geologists out there, but I don't recall right now.

I'd also add another "philosopher", namely: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheoreticalBullshit

As for the historian, we sort of have one here on these boards! *pokes theyounghistorian*
Edit: I see he just posted.

Other than that, there are a number who deal with historical and theological aspects, such as this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/brettppalmer

And of course: http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH

I guess you could kind of add this guy, too: http://www.youtube.com/user/Evid3nc3

Then I'd also add a Psychology genre, to which I'd add this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/AntiCitizenX
(He has an excellent series on "The Psychology of Belief".)

"This is not an atheist forum"
yes, of course.... this IS an atheist forum, throughout the year, except on each month on the Greek Calends (kalendas graecas ), when atheists tend to let the Christians alone for a day!

DonExodus2 - biology
AndromedasWake - astronomy
AronRa - paleontology
potholer54 - geology
VyckRo - history
VyckRo - political science

This means two faculties at a University here in Bucharest, one of 4 years, and the second of 3 years, and I will follow a 3 years specialization, on a subject which hopefully will be available for the both faculties( faculty as in university, as after finishing the regular school of 8+4 years - I see that the words Faculty, University and college, means different things in English -).

So yap! and I followed the same path that led many, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Evangelists, and other... directly to atheism!
And that is: I analyzed the main claims, issued by my denomination, the Orthodox Church, about it history and legitimacy, and I became a stronger Christian than I was before. And that whitout to propose myself to reach a result! Simply studying the history of communities from the Middle East, and by studying the history of the Byzantine Empire.
Claims that may seem extremely arrogant, as the Bible was written in the Orthodox world, or the main dogmas, that most Christians accept them today, were defined in the East by our church, or that the ancient patriarchates from the Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Byzantium have a direct and historical connection with the early Christian communities founded by the apostles.

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Obviously the first objection, would be that I had found what I wanted to find!

To this I will answer it in the following way: most people who have converted to a form of Protestantism, they did it, thanks to the oratorical qualities of a pastor, all people who I have heard so far, that converted to Orthodoxy, they did it after they began investigating, which church is closest to the original church founded by Jesus in Israel.
[showmore=Some examples from youtube]



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And that's not all, I analyzed the main Protestant doctrines, and I did it, as a historian to test their legitimacy:

1 "Saved by faith alone"
The doctrine arose from a bad translation of the Bible in German
Does not appear in any Christian writings for 1400 years ( The only place in the New Testament where the phrase "faith alone" is
actually used is in the Letter of James 2:24, where the Scriptures say precisely the opposite

2. "The Rapture"
another doctrine unknown to us before 1830, when a pastor, John Nelson Darby apparently inspired by the "visionary" Margaret McDonald, invented this new doctrine
[showmore=see The Rapture Link]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/History_of_Dispensationalism_Darby_III.svg
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/cozby_rapture1.htm
http://www.orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/cozby_rapture2.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05528b.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_McDonald_(visionary)[/showmore]
3. Penal Substitution
which evolved from the 11th century theologian Anselm concept ( Atonement of Jesus) which gradually evolved from the orthodox idea that, Christ has incarnated to restore the link between man and God, and his resurrection defeated death.
[showmore=see Penal Substitution Link ]http://orthodoxwiki.org/Theosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitutionary_atonement
http://www.theopedia.com/Penal_substitutionary_atonement
http://preachersinstitute.com/2011/06/02/orthodox-problems-with-penal-substitution/[/showmore]

poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

poking holes in the Bible? do you think this is what a historian? does? starts his day with the thought, hmmm..., today I will poke some holes in to the Alexander the Great case, and I will do this as a "historian" because its existence raises some problems, to my atheists friends from youtube .... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

it is this how atheists see science?

Why do you automatically assume that a historian will necessarily consider Christianity wrong, and atheism correct?
and not vice versa? As I do???

Why it seems so hard for you to believe that one can arrive to faith by researching history? ...and ....right now as you read these lines?
It somehow undermine your own conviction?

ooo I forgot "This is not an atheist forum" ok then ...


Please ask your question

 

[australopithecus]

No, this is not an atheist forum. Your childish protestations to the contrary don't become more true the more you repeat it. If you like I can point you to a Pagan who will kindly confirm this.

Also, more to the point, why did you feel the need to resurrect a thread that is almost a year old just to try and score meaningless points?

 

[VyckRo]

No, this is not an atheist forum. Your childish protestations to the contrary don't become more true the more you repeat it. If you like I can point you to a Pagan who will kindly confirm this.

kindly point me to the Christian moderator or contributor, that can kindly confirm this,
thanks!

do not miss too much!!! :lol:

 

[australopithecus]

Moderators are not chosen for their theological opinions, they are chosen based on factors such as how regularly they post on the forum and their attitude whilst posting. Moderators are appointed very rarely, the last time was just under a year ago. We don't appoint Mods when we don't need Mods. We don't have a regular Christian member, when we do and if they want the job and there's an opening, they may have it.

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Moderators are not chosen for their theological opinions, they are chosen based on factors such as how regularly they post on the forum and their attitude whilst posting. Moderators are appointed very rarely, the last time was just under a year ago. We don't appoint Mods when we don't need Mods. We don't have a regular Christian member, when we do and if they want the job and there's an opening, they may have it.

Hell, I'd appoint TheoWarner in a heartbeat if he was here more often.

 

[Gnug215]

poking holes in the Bible's (and other holy books') stories (or their interpretations). Can anyone recommend such a specialist?

Many thanks in advance,
Aaron

poking holes in the Bible? do you think this is what a historian? does? starts his day with the thought, hmmm..., today I will poke some holes in to the Alexander the Great case, and I will do this as a "historian" because its existence raises some problems, to my atheists friends from youtube .... :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Do you actually expect airandfingers to respond to your question (hint: look at when date of his post), or do you have a point with this?

it is this how atheists see science?

Ah, I suppose this was your point, then? Some random tirade where you need generalize about atheists in order to make your point?

To respond to your question: No.

How do I know? Well, I know a few atheists, and they certainly don't see it that way.

Why do you automatically assume that a historian will necessarily consider Christianity wrong, and atheism correct?
and not vice versa? As I do???

By "you", I assume (based on what you've been doing here so far) that you mean all atheists again. And you're making an assumption that atheists assume that historians will necessarily consider Christianity wrong.

Clearly, there are Christian historians.

And clearly, there will be historians who will consider Christianity wrong, but not by default think that atheism is correct.

And what exactly do you mean by your "As I do???" Are you admitting that you automatically assume that atheism is wrong and Christianity correct?

Why it seems so hard for you to believe that one can arrive to faith by researching history? ...and ....right now as you read these lines?
It somehow undermine your own conviction?

Again, by "you" I assume you're referring to atheists in general, or just all the users on this forum (which aren't all atheist).

I suppose it depends on what kind of history you're researching, but for the most part, I personally would think that history reveals many similarities in how religions and myths arose. Seeing these similarities would lead one to conclude that Christianity is just one religion among many.

Beyond that, I can't really say what one finds if one particularly researches Christian history.

ooo I forgot "This is not an atheist forum" ok then ...

This is not an atheist forum. Most of the users here are atheists, but there is nothing in the "charter" of this forum that states it's meant for atheists in particular. That just seemed like a natural consequence of the forum initially being about how various creationist-critical YouTube users were DMCA'd and falsely flagged on YouTube.

Now, if you could move on from this tiring and pointless insistance on this being an atheist forum, then perhaps you could actually come up with something productive instead?

Please ask your question

What question?


As a finally comment, I'd like to say this:
Your posts are just so drenched in assumption, generalzation and preconcieved notions that it is impossible to take you seriously. If you are indeed a historian, or anything within academia, you're certainly not a fair, unbiased and honest historian.

For your own sake, I think you would do well to get over this obsession of yours with atheists.

 

[VyckRo]

Again, by "you" I assume you're referring to atheists in general, or just all the users on this forum (which aren't all atheist).

I suppose it depends on what kind of history you're researching, but for the most part, I personally would think that history reveals many similarities in how religions and myths arose. Seeing these similarities would lead one to conclude that Christianity is just one religion among many.

Beyond that, I can't really say what one finds if one particularly researches Christian history..

I refer to the user in discussion, is that not clear?

By "you", I assume (based on what you've been doing here so far) that you mean all atheists again. And you're making an assumption that atheists assume that historians will necessarily consider Christianity wrong.

Clearly, there are Christian historians.

And clearly, there will be historians who will consider Christianity wrong, but not by default think that atheism is correct.

And what exactly do you mean by your "As I do???" Are you admitting that you automatically assume that atheism is wrong and Christianity correct?

You assume wrong! check the word "You" in dictionary.
I admit that I reached my conclusions by a careful study of history

I suppose it depends on what kind of history you're researching, but for the most part, I personally would think that history reveals many similarities in how religions and myths arose. Seeing these similarities would lead one to conclude that Christianity is just one religion among many.

you are wrong, and anyway similarity does not imply anything!

This is not an atheist forum. Most of the users here are atheists,

Can you give me some examples of Christians, who post regularly here?

What question?

About the Bible, of course!

 

[australopithecus]

Can you give me some examples of Christians, who post regularly here?

Dragan Glas, Stripe, YesYouNeedJesus, TheOnlyThing2Fear. Also, Hytegia is not an atheist. It's not atheism or Christianity. False dichotomy.

 

[Gnug215]

Again, by "you" I assume you're referring to atheists in general, or just all the users on this forum (which aren't all atheist).

I suppose it depends on what kind of history you're researching, but for the most part, I personally would think that history reveals many similarities in how religions and myths arose. Seeing these similarities would lead one to conclude that Christianity is just one religion among many.

Beyond that, I can't really say what one finds if one particularly researches Christian history..

I refer to the user in discussion, is that not clear?

First of all, no, that isn't clear, because later in your post you go on to generalize about ALL atheist - a point that I made in my post, but which you conveniently ignored totally.

Second, I gave you a hint to look at the date of his post, but you conveniently ignored this, too. I guess I'll have to ask again: Based on the date of airandfinger's last post (HINT: It's almost a year ago now), do you actually expect him to respond?

You're telling us you study history, but you you don't check the date of your "source"? Really?

By "you", I assume (based on what you've been doing here so far) that you mean all atheists again. And you're making an assumption that atheists assume that historians will necessarily consider Christianity wrong.

Clearly, there are Christian historians.

And clearly, there will be historians who will consider Christianity wrong, but not by default think that atheism is correct.

And what exactly do you mean by your "As I do???" Are you admitting that you automatically assume that atheism is wrong and Christianity correct?

You assume wrong! check the word "You" in dictionary.
I admit that I reached my conclusions by a careful study of history.

I've already explained why I made the assumption - a fair assumption, I think. And don't you dare tell me to check the dictionary, when you're the one who is barely intelligible in many of your posts.

And many people have reached different conclusions by a careful study of history. Now you seem to suggst that studying history carefully would, by default, make people conclude that Christianity was correct, thus basically making yourself guilty in the accusating you're making against airandfingers.

I suppose it depends on what kind of history you're researching, but for the most part, I personally would think that history reveals many similarities in how religions and myths arose. Seeing these similarities would lead one to conclude that Christianity is just one religion among many.

you are wrong, and anyway similarity does not imply anything!

I'm wrong about history revealing many similarities between myths and religions? Really?

And similarity doesn't imply anything? Of course it does! You probably meant to say it doesn't prove anything, but the implications are there.

This is not an atheist forum. Most of the users here are atheists,

Can you give me some examples of Christians, who post regularly here?

Sure, I'll repeat what austral said below (since it's true):

Dragan Glas, Stripe, YesYouNeedJesus, TheOnlyThing2Fear. Also, Hytegia is not an atheist.

And then there's you, I suppose.

What question?

About the Bible, of course!

What was the question about the Bible? airandfingers was looking for a history expert. He didn't have a question to ask beyond that.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Staying ON TOPIC -

lefayad1991

Just completed his degree, and makes videos regularly.
And is also the nemesis of NaphilimFree and ShockOfGod.

 

[KittenKoder]

This gives me an idea for the focus on my vlog (starting one as soon as I get my camera in the mail). Philosophical debunking of religious ideologies. Philosophy is what, ultimately, lead me to give up the religious ideologies in the first place.

Anyhow, to the OP, there have been several vids on that particular aspect, though I cannot remember off hand which it was (probably AronRa). It's something that has been done to death though so usually when it's brought up non-zealots will just shake their heads in annoyance. It's too easy to use history to debunk religious texts, and not once has anyone brought anything new to support the religious texts so there is no point in rehashing. The rehashing of the same arguments is a zealot's ploy, not a scientific approach.