Hi, please help me with this

[ArthurWilborn]

Reasons why this is suspicious:

You claim that your mother is so controlling that she won't even let you look at billboards - and yet she has the internet and has given you a chance to use it unsupervised.

You claim you did not have knowledge about sex that is, quite frankly, difficult to avoid and which most people can deduce at the age of ten from available facts.

You've conveniently dodged advice by claiming a disability (crippling social phobia).

Assuming you are honest; keep in mind that there are many liars out there (as you yourself have discovered), and many of us are here precisely because we doubt and question what we are told. I'd a fine attribute to have, but it does complicate social interactions.

 

[gogogo22]

You claim that your mother is so controlling that she won't even let you look at billboards - and yet she has the internet and has given you a chance to use it unsupervised.

No, the computer is in the basement and I have lately been doing it while she is not around (she's asleep now). She has no idea I am online. And she would have a fit if she knew I was doing this.

You claim you did not have knowledge about sex that is, quite frankly, difficult to avoid and which most people can deduce at the age of ten from available facts.

What facts?

You've conveniently dodged advice by claiming a disability (crippling social phobia).

I have never heard of that before, but I think I have some of it.

But like I said before, I am sure I am 1 in a million cases and I find everything hard to believe. But all that I really want to know before I start plotting my escape, is what are ALL the normal things parents tell there kids? Is sex the only thing? Or is there something else? Because after I figure this out, I can go to other sites (job site for example) and post a (believable) watered-down version of my real life story.

I am not even sure I will share this with any friends I might make considering nobody believes me.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

You claim you did not have knowledge about sex that is, quite frankly, difficult to avoid and which most people can deduce at the age of ten from available facts.

What facts?

Children have a mother and a father. They resemble both of their parents. Babies are formed inside of pregnant women. The father must contribute something, and there are only a few openings in the human body. There are areas of the body adults do not want to talk about. Therefore, I reasoned at age 8, something passed from the male private parts through a hole into the female body (most likely between the legs), where it grew into a baby and then came back out. Most people conclude "pee" at this point, which is logical based on limited information.

But like I said before, I am sure I am 1 in a million cases and I find everything hard to believe. But all that I really want to know before I start plotting my escape, is what are ALL the normal things parents tell there kids? Is sex the only thing? Or is there something else? Because after I figure this out, I can go to other sites (job site for example) and post a (believable) watered-down version of my real life story.

Well, related to sex, keep in mind that the male sex drive is higher (in most cases) then the female drive and deception and coercion by males are relatively common, particularly at your age.

Umm... pretty good odds that people of different races and different countries are nicer then you've been told, but there's still plenty of jerks out there in the world. However, any statement that goes "But I thought all (type of person) were (negative trait)!" should be removed from your speech.

Credit cards companies are out to get you -best not to get one until you have a comfortable income.

Umm... usually it's less about what you don't know about and more about the false things you've been told. Creationism is a big pile of wrong, of course, but most ridiculous beliefs tend to be unique to individuals. Has your mom told you anything that seems too strange to be real - about conspiracies, about enemies she/you have, historical facts that seem out of place?

I am not even sure I will share this with any friends I might make considering nobody believes me.

Being able to see your crazy mom would probably help.

 

[gogogo22]

Children have a mother and a father. They resemble both of their parents. Babies are formed inside of pregnant women. The father must contribute something, and there are only a few openings in the human body. There are areas of the body adults do not want to talk about. Therefore, I reasoned at age 8, something passed from the male private parts through a hole into the female body (most likely between the legs), where it grew into a baby and then came back out. Most people conclude "pee" at this point, which is logical based on limited information.

I was told after marriage god puts a baby in the mothers stomach, and that sounded logical to me. I had never even seen a penis before. I thought everybody looked like I did down there.

Well, related to sex

Besides sex.

Has your mom told you anything that seems too strange to be real - about conspiracies, about enemies she/you have, historical facts that seem out of place?

Well besides the "hollywood is satanic" I can't think of any conspiracy theories. Enemies, would probably be the "all public school kids are wild and evil" thing.

But probably most of my history is wrong (I used to think dinosaurs lived with humans).

 

[Inferno]

Since we're at the absolute basics, I'll try to introduce to you to some social etiquette.
1) As mentioned above, men will do a lot of things to have sex with you. They will lie, cheat, lie, buy you fancy stuff and lie some more.
2) Men generally like slim women (though not anorexic) and with big breasts. However they will want to have sex with you if you look even moderately good.
3) I personally would suggest you wait with sex until you love someone, but you can keep that however you want to. By the way, love is that tingly feeling you get in your stomach, not the tingly feeling between your legs cuz that would be lust. Lust is NOT a sin.
4) Your worth in society is not determined by how long you can pray (though some cultures do hold that to be the highest of achievements) and also not by how happy you are but rather by how much money you make, how much alcohol you can drink without throwing up and of course by how little you can wear without looking like a slut.
5) The most important rule on the internet: If it exists, there's porn of it. This has ruined many childhood memories.
6) There is a lot of weird shit out there, you don't want to know about all of it.
7) If a guy is trying to give you candy... run. If a guy is trying to give you ANYTHING... run. Unless the guy is a friend, then you can take it.
8) Any one person can only have so many friends. If someone tells you that you're their BEST FRIEND FOR EVER!!! OMG!!! then they're probably talking shit about you behind your back. What you'll find in life is that you will have maybe 2-3 really good friends and a lot of... friends.
9) Keep your money to yourself, don't trust anyone with it. Ever.
10) The shower curtain stays on the inside.

If you are unclear about any of the words, use Urban Dictionary.

The above represents the views of the author and the author alone. No responsibility will nor can be taken for utter failure if the given advice is followed.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

It is totaly understandable that people doubt you.
Your story seams unbelievable because it is to much out of the ordinary, to much unreal to be true. However with my experience here, I have been wrong to many times about that, maybe it is real, to tell the truth I don't know. This is a good time to enuntiate the Poe's law:

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

If you are fake, you wouldn't be the first fake people that we can't distinguish from the real deal, if you are real you wouldn't be the first person that we couldn't distinguish from a fake.

For now I give it the benefit of doubt, but only time will tell. It is just a too hard to believe situation.

 

[sgrunterundt]

Hi Gogogo

I saw your thread yesterday, but didn't have time to respond. Now there is a lot more replies. I have some general things to say though:

1. The world is not bad or evil as you have been told, but it is not entirely good either. People generally want other people to be happy too, but there are people who think of no one but them selves, and don't care what they do to others. Don't trust anything you are told or read, just because it is said or written. Use your own intellect to determine the truth, and never be afraid to revise your opinion if you discover new evidence or think of something you didn't before. Don't believe anything I tell you either. Of course I know that I want you the best, but you don't know that. I could be lying. Critical thinking should convince you that my advice is sound, if not that is a fault of me.

2. As others have said, sorry if we do not entirely believe you. We like critical thinking here. We do not expect to be believed right away either, and we take no offense if people think we are lying. People who do take offense generally have something to hide. In the end the truth tends to come out.

The point is that as I said above, some people don't care what they do to others. There are people who think it is fun to see if they can make people believe a lie. We have nothing but your text to determine wether the writer is a poor girl held nearly imprisoned by her mother, or some guy pretending to be because he thinks it is fun.

Like others I give you the benefit of the doubt because it would be truly tragic if an imprisoned and brainwashed girl with a great intellect manages to break free to find only mockery. While if I waste an hour giving some idiot a laugh, the text will still stand as a help to others.

If you truly are what you say, stay. The truth comes out. Eventually everyone will be convinced.

3. Not everyone has given you the benefit of the doubt. There are some who seem to have just responded for fun. I see no blatant lies, but some half truths or silly an not-so-helpful posts at least. I will not tell you which ones. Continue to have an open mind and you will figure out by yourself which posts are good advice.

But I completely understand why nobody believes me, I am nothing but a freak show.

No. You are not. As far as I can tell you are supremely intelligent and open-minded despite having been brain-washed all your life. I think you have a bright future ahead of you. Us not believing you entirely yet, is the fault of other people, not you. Lying is easy on the internet, and therefore being believed is hard. In real life it is easier. Stay with us and don't despair.

I will follow this thread closely. Please tell us more about yourself and your upbringing. Do you have other family? Do you ever talk to other people than your parents?

 

[gogogo22]

Hi, I have some great news.

I remember that during my last family reunion, I meet my 2 cousins (they live in Alabama) and they live together in an apartment I think shes an engineer for an airplane company and he is a nurse. I got to meet them and they were nice to me, but my parents puled me away from them and said they were demonic, and I believed my parents so I avoided them the whole time. I think they are actually Atheists or at least non-Christians come to think of it.

But after thinking about it, living here is unbearable, so I just crept into the kitchen and got my cousins parents phone number, called their parents and got my cousins number. And I took the cordless phone outside and called them (everyone is asleep here) I spoke with the brother and told him my problems and asked him if I could move in with them, and he said I absolutely could, I also asked him if they could get me tommorow morning because their parents keep calling back trying to talk to my parents and ask them why I asked for their kids number, so I have unplugged the phone because they have called back 12 times already.

As far as I know they are coming to get me right now, fortunelty I only have cloth and some toys to bring.

Also, he said they would pay to take me to movies, etc (which I have always wanted to go to but couldn't), so this should be fun.

And I have already written my goodbye note venting how much I hate their stupid religion and views, and I left it on my bed. And he said they would help me get a job.

Also, I don't want them to ever see how stupid I was so, once they pick me up sometime tommorow, I don't think I will reply here with this account. But after I watch some atheist and evolutionist videos and educate myself, I think I might create a new account here.

And, I still know I am missing vital stuff because I just read about circumcision, why is this stuff legal, and what is other stuff like sex and circumcision have I not been told about? And have I been altered as well? I mean are we born with a tail and is it cut off?

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Ok, hope everything turns out ok for you.

I mean are we born with a tail and is it cut off?

No, people are not born with tails, except in extremely rare ocasions.

 

[gogogo22]

Ok, hope everything turns out ok for you.

I mean are we born with a tail and is it cut off?

No, people are not born with tails, except in extremely rare ocasions.

Thanks. But tell me, if you had kids, what would be things you would tell them about?

 

[nasher168]

But probably most of my history is wrong (I used to think dinosaurs lived with humans).

A brief history of humanity in a nutshell (with a focus on the west):

Modern humans evolved between 150,000 and 300,000 years ago in Africa. They spread out across the world over many thousands of years across the world:

Between 14000 and 6000 years ago, farming and civilisation gradually rose and spread to most parts of the world. Much of Western civilisation is based on ideas from Ancient Greece. The Roman Empire based itself on Greece and spread these ideas across Europe and the Middle East.
Christianity emerged as a sect of Judaism around 40-50 AD, but following the Second Jewish War between the Jews and the Romans, Christianity distanced itself from Judaism and became a religion in its own right.
In 325 AD, the Roman Emperor Constantine decided that Christianity should become the state religion of Rome. He spread it across the Empire, largely vanquishing the older, Pagan religions.
When the Roman Empire collapsed in the 400s, the Catholic Church spread itself across Europe, outlawing Paganism and crushing opposition where it went. By 1000AD, there were only a very few pockets of Paganism left in Europe. These were gradually stamped out over the following 500 or so years.

European expeditions discovered America in the 1400s, and by the 1700s, huge areas of the continent had been colonised by Europeans, spreading Christianity where they went. The United States declared their independence from the British Empire in 1775, and gradually spread from the Eastern seaboard across the continent all the way to the Pacific. Incidentally, Mississipi was originally colonised by France, but was sold to the US by Napoleon.

Fast forward to the 1930's. America was now one of the most powerful nations on Earth, but in Europe, the Nazi Party, led by Adolf Hitler had taken control of Germany. Germany started the Second World War and took over most of Europe before America and Russia entered the war. Russia drove Germany back in the East, while a combined force of British and American forces invaded and freed France before pushing into Germany, just as the Russians entered Germany's capital city and ended the war.
Meanwhile, Japan had been attacking China, Indochina and America on the other side of the world. The Americans defeated Japan and forced them to surrender by dropping two atomic bombs on Japanese cities, killing hundreds of thousands of people. The war killed 70 million people and was the largest, most bloody war ever fought.

The snag was that Russia now controlled a lot of Europe, and the atomic bomb had been shown it was able to destroy entire cities. Russia and the US made thousands of bombs and aimed them at each other for decades, neither daring to shoot because each knew they would both be completely destroyed if they did. This happened right up until 1993 (within your lifetime) when Russia collapsed and their allies in Europe gradually joined the European Union.


The end.

I enjoyed writing that.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Thanks. But tell me, if you had kids, what would be things you would tell them about?

Hard question, there are many things that right now I would only remember on the right circumstance.
I would probably teach them a some point, why is there summer and winter (it is because of the relative tilt of the earth twards the sun),
where do rainbows come from (it is because the light beams for red get deflected at a difrent angle from that of blue when it passes trough the rain drops), why when you look yourself in the mirror the mirror mixes left with right but never mixes up with down (it doesn't mixes left with right, it just mixes back to front, we just have the ilusion of it being mixed left with right because we are imagining what would we do to stand on that position, we think that we would go behind the mirrr and turn arround to face in our direction and we do not imagine ourselves getting squiched a turned our nose to the back of our heads),
that the same forces we use to turn on the light are the same that prevents us from going trough our chairs and plowing right to the ground when we sit on them.
I would teach them magic tricks, how to be responsible, that rights are not given but thaken.

 

[nasher168]

tell me, if you had kids, what would be things you would tell them about?

Everything I knew, as they became old enough to understand what I was saying. Sex is an absolute must once they reach about 9-10 years old, as has already been mentioned.

I don't know about other people, but if I ever have kids, I don't intend to bring religion up at all unless they ask about it, until they start being taught Christianity in school. At which point I will make it clear that not everyone believes in God and that critical thinking is important, but perhaps dodge the issue of my own beliefs until they are old enough and skilled enough in critical thinking to work out things for themselves.

 

[Inferno]

Thanks. But tell me, if you had kids, what would be things you would tell them about?

I'd teach them an updated version of the ten commandments, anything along the lines of these:

1) Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or their color.
2) Do not ever even think of using people as private property.
3) Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4) Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5) Do not condemn people for their inborn nature. ("Why would God create so many homosexuals, only to torture and destroy them?")
6) Be aware that you, too, are an animal, and dependent on the web of nature. Try to think and act accordingly.
7) Do not imagine you can avoid judgment if you rob people [by lying to them] rather than with a knife.
8) Turn off that fucking cell phone.
9) Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repression.
10) Reject any faith if their commandments contradict any of the above.

1) Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you
2) In all things, strive to cause no harm
3) Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.
4) Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.
5) Live life with a sense of joy and wonder
6) Always seek to be learning something new
7) Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.
8) Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.
9) Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.
10) Question everything

1) Love well
2) Seek the good in all things
3) Harm no others
4) Think for yourself
5) Take responsibility
6) Respect nature
7) Do your utmost
8) Be informed
9) Be kind
10) Be courageous
These come with the post-thought that the reader "at least, sincerely try" and an addendum in (The Good 8:12), "Add to these ten injunctions, this: O friends, let us always be true to ourselves and to the best in things, so that we can always be true to one another."

There are others, but these three are quite good. I'd teach my kids to read, to love and to be honest. I'd teach them to live for their work, not work for their life. I'd teach them that failing isn't a problem, so long as you get up and try again. And again. And again. Until you do it right.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

You probably want to tear up that note. Crazy religious people tend to get violent when their repressed children do something they don't approve of. We've all heard stories of murders (to keep the child safe, of course), broken arms, broken legs, and all kinds of maiming. There's a 99% chance she'll call the police and tell them your cousins kidnapped you - and the police are going to be much more likely to listen to her then to you. Just stick to the facts and be very clear - you're legally an adult at 19, so you can go where you want with who you want. Say it, over and over again, that is was your decision and your right to leave. Don't let your mom guilt you into coming back - the moment you do she'll do something violent to try to control you again.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

I'm with Arthur on this one. Situation like this will be very conflictuous and the uglier side of people will tend to come out. Your mom will likely yell at you and threaten you, intimidate you like it never did before, it will throw shit at your face, things you have done wrong in the past (even tough they might not have been your fault). They will use everthing they can to bring you back into submission, they will try to make a baby out of you, they will push you and they will physicaly try to force you to do their will. You will cry, you will cry allot, but you got to be strong and stand your ground or else they will lock you up for good. After the storm is gone everything is going to be ok, and trust me, after a while you won't regreat it and the sun will shine back again like never before. Eventualy your parents will get over it in time.

 

[nasher168]

And, I still know I am missing vital stuff because I just read about circumcision, why is this stuff legal, and what is other stuff like sex and circumcision have I not been told about? And have I been altered as well? I mean are we born with a tail and is it cut off?

Why male circumcision is legal baffles me too. I know I would abolish it if I had the chance. And yet it remains legal due to daft cultural reasons.
Female circumcision is, thankfully, illegal in most Western nations.


Humans do, interestingly enough, have very tiny tails. We have four bones below our spine called the "coccyx". Our ancestors had more (and longer) bones there back when they walked on four legs, which made up a functioning tail. We can't move these bones, but they still serve a useful function, as some of the muscles of our hips are attached there.

Very, very rarely, people are born with tails. But these tails don't have bones in them,and they don't function properly:

 

[Nelipot]

If these parents are so controlling, how come they have the Internet? *sniffing furry rodent*