Hey if everyone is doing it then why not?

[Memeticemetic]

Now, if you want a place in this forum to spread your nonsense and get it torn to shreds, go back to the above thread or start a new one. You're a member here now so there's nothing stopping you from doing so. It's simply bad etiquette to hijack a thread and derail it by going off on an unrelated tangent. Yes, I recognize the irony that I, too, am contributing to that. So I'll finish by saying: Ratzinger can rot in the imaginary hell in which has so earnestly earned a place in its most vile depths.

I agree but to be fair, this theory is doctoree's domain. I often perceive that various arguments from scientific studies etc. are often used as a kind of 'example' in a debate without clear dilineation and connection to the original thesis, often sending threads on tangents. Similarly, I see Doctoree making oblique connections using examples from religious belief - but in his/her case and without a joint sort of understanding between us, it's harder for us to 'fill in the blanks' of his/her arguments and see the connections.

So maybe it's all about being concise, and for responders, it's not that hard to resist being derailed when it bothers you.

I hear ya, Andy. The key difference is that his post was a complete derailment on its face. When anyone else sends a thread off on a tangent, it's usually incremental and one would have to read several posts before seeing the thread went off the rails. He wasn't responding to anyone in the thread, he gave only a superficial nod to the OP and just went off on the same sermon he's been spewing elsewhere. Sure, it would be easier to ignore if I agreed with him and I may not have been such a giant asshole about it, but he would still be in the wrong for his behavior, and I would be wrong for not calling him on it.

I disagree vehemently with your last statement. It is insanely hard for me to resist being derailed when it bothers me. And I suspect there may be a few others who share this problem with me wandering about...

 

[Andiferous]

Maybe I really only speak for me and ought not speak at all.

Challenges and differences make these threads more interesting to me, or I think we'd all be quite dull together after a while. Anyway, I'd be terrified of you guys when on the bottom of the doggie pile, and I'm sure you can imagine what I might type when truly frightened. Like Elvish gone wrong. Don't ask.

Confusion is a common strategy, I know, but usually it has some grounding.

I give doctoree the benefit of the doubt for his courage and would like to understand.

 

[Alexinfinite]

I'm just jumping in and this is my first time here but I have had a pressing nagging thought that relates to the subject matter that wont stop tingling the back of my mind. The catholic church openly dislikes homosexuals and constantly goes on about how it's a sin and an abomination. I don't understand how anyone could really care what two consenting adults in a reasonable state of mind do with one another. Even if it does seem odd to those with a more "traditional" sense of relationships.

Yet we have priests and clergy sexually abusing children and pathetically trying to either cover it up or play down how bad the situation is. To anyone with any moral compass of any kind, sexually abusing children is one of the most horrific and disgusting things a person can do. Yet the church tries to play it down. I understand why, the church has to maintain that it is right or else everything it builds and prides itself on shatters beyond any sort of repair.

But here's what really nags my mind and please respond if anyone else has noticed this. The church has full grown men sexually abusing little boys. Now this is an act of pedophilia by definition. But is it not also an act of homosexuality, the very thing they despise and hate? It's impossible to defend themselves in this situation with the abuse to children but I find this supremely ironic. But why is this not brought up or mentioned?

These are clearly homosexuals in the church in positions of power. Not just in positions of power, but in places and with secrets that have come to humiliate the church! I'm not advocating all gay people are pedophiles so please, don't be worried. I'm merely making, what I think to be, an obvious observation that I find strangely muted in the whole debacle.

Any thoughts or opinions?

 

[lrkun]

I'm just jumping in and this is my first time here but I have had a pressing nagging thought that relates to the subject matter that wont stop tingling the back of my mind. The catholic church openly dislikes homosexuals and constantly goes on about how it's a sin and an abomination. I don't understand how anyone could really care what two consenting adults in a reasonable state of mind do with one another. Even if it does seem odd to those with a more "traditional" sense of relationships.

Yet we have priests and clergy sexually abusing children and pathetically trying to either cover it up or play down how bad the situation is. To anyone with any moral compass of any kind, sexually abusing children is one of the most horrific and disgusting things a person can do. Yet the church tries to play it down. I understand why, the church has to maintain that it is right or else everything it builds and prides itself on shatters beyond any sort of repair.

But here's what really nags my mind and please respond if anyone else has noticed this. The church has full grown men sexually abusing little boys. Now this is an act of pedophilia by definition. But is it not also an act of homosexuality, the very thing they despise and hate? It's impossible to defend themselves in this situation with the abuse to children but I find this supremely ironic. But why is this not brought up or mentioned?

These are clearly homosexuals in the church in positions of power. Not just in positions of power, but in places and with secrets that have come to humiliate the church! I'm not advocating all gay people are pedophiles so please, don't be worried. I'm merely making, what I think to be, an obvious observation that I find strangely muted in the whole debacle.

Any thoughts or opinions?

The majority of priests that I personally know are gay. ^^

We also have this joke, when we drink, it is siining (alcohol) but when a priest dores it, it is blessing. haha

 

[Alexinfinite]

I'm just jumping in and this is my first time here but I have had a pressing nagging thought that relates to the subject matter that wont stop tingling the back of my mind. The catholic church openly dislikes homosexuals and constantly goes on about how it's a sin and an abomination. I don't understand how anyone could really care what two consenting adults in a reasonable state of mind do with one another. Even if it does seem odd to those with a more "traditional" sense of relationships.

Yet we have priests and clergy sexually abusing children and pathetically trying to either cover it up or play down how bad the situation is. To anyone with any moral compass of any kind, sexually abusing children is one of the most horrific and disgusting things a person can do. Yet the church tries to play it down. I understand why, the church has to maintain that it is right or else everything it builds and prides itself on shatters beyond any sort of repair.

But here's what really nags my mind and please respond if anyone else has noticed this. The church has full grown men sexually abusing little boys. Now this is an act of pedophilia by definition. But is it not also an act of homosexuality, the very thing they despise and hate? It's impossible to defend themselves in this situation with the abuse to children but I find this supremely ironic. But why is this not brought up or mentioned?

These are clearly homosexuals in the church in positions of power. Not just in positions of power, but in places and with secrets that have come to humiliate the church! I'm not advocating all gay people are pedophiles so please, don't be worried. I'm merely making, what I think to be, an obvious observation that I find strangely muted in the whole debacle.

Any thoughts or opinions?

The majority of priests that I personally know are gay. ^^

We also have this joke, when we drink, it is siining (alcohol) but when a priest dores it, it is blessing. haha

Good I'm not the only who noticed this. But why is it never really mentioned when we talk about the abuses?

 

[lrkun]

Good I'm not the only who noticed this. But why is it never really mentioned when we talk about the abuses?

I can't be to sure, I can only give you my opinion on this one, maybe they have the power, money, or influence to hide their acts.

Imagine the beer analogy, to us touching young things might be sins, but to them, it might be blessings. :?

 

[WarK]

The majority of priests that I personally know are gay. ^^

We also have this joke, when we drink, it is siining (alcohol) but when a priest dores it, it is blessing. haha

Good I'm not the only who noticed this. But why is it never really mentioned when we talk about the abuses?

I've heard gay men are less likely to be paedophiles than heterosexual men. I don't know why would you want to connect the two anyway, seems more like something that church would preach.

Also, catholic church is a corrupted institution that worries mostly about it's wealth and power, I thought we stopped being surprised by the hypocrisy of the church long time ago.

 

[lrkun]

I've heard gay men are less likely to be paedophiles than heterosexual men. I don't know why would you want to connect the two anyway, seems more like something that church would preach.

Also, catholic church is a corrupted institution that worries mostly about it's wealth and power, I thought we stopped being surprised by the hypocrisy of the church long time ago.

"MRI research has found very large differences in brain structure between men who have a sexual preference for children and those who have a sexual preference for adults. These differences were detected as regions of low density in brain tissue called white matter. White matter is what connects the various parts of the brain, enabling it to function as a whole. The white matter that is affected in pedophilia and hebephilia is the white matter that connects the parts of the brain that respond to sexual images. (Specifically, these regions were the superior occipitofrontal fasciculus and the arcuate fasciculus.) There does not exist any evidence that gay men share this feature of decreased white matter. In fact, there is some evidence that gay men have areas of more white matter than straight men, in at least some parts of the brain (called the corpus callosum)." That's pedophilia researcher Dr. James Cantor, editor-in-chief of Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment[1]


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1. http://prideinutah.com/?p=1561

 

[Alexinfinite]

Good I'm not the only who noticed this. But why is it never really mentioned when we talk about the abuses?

I can't be to sure, I can only give you my opinion on this one, maybe they have the power, money, or influence to hide their acts.

Imagine the beer analogy, to us touching young things might be sins, but to them, it might be blessings. :?

:? I guess so. But I suppose not matter what the answer is in this whole fiasco it's not going to be satisfactory