Guns and Intent

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Really? Why do you stay there?



Actually, insofar as can be known, Dragan Glas is WHY the internet cannot be nice - he monopolizes civility so there's none left for the rest of us... the unfailingly pleasant bastard!

Actually, I've modelled myself on Stephen Fry's "Friendly Bar Steward".



Kindest regards,

James

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

I'm not sure there's really a valid distinction here. All weapons are tools - an object crafted to extend one's ability to affect the environment. I don't see that as a euphemism at all.

From a certain perspective all weapons may be tools but not all tools are (intended as) weapons.

Perhaps it's a reflection of my family's background that I'm more aware of their (weapons) intended use. I - nor my family members or relatives who've served in two world wars as well as others before and since - would not think of weapons as "tools".

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Sparhafoc]

Funnily, the very first person I ever heard someone call a gun a tool was my grandad, who also served in the 2nd World War.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Nah, not gonna bother with this anymore ...

This was stated eight pages ago. Yet...

Have I, in any way, complained about that SD? Is there actually any indictation that that fazes me in any way?
On the contrary, there are actually a lot of complaints about me being completly unfazed by that.

See the above comment from eight pages ago.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Ahhh I remember those...

Smooth as a puma cheating at backgammon.
Smooth as a Greek olive oil salesman trying to introduce the need for olive oil into a random conversation about otter skins.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Well, the distinctions between the periods aren't really important. They're simply arbitrary names we give to periods in geological time utilising names that reflect what's found there.

That sucks. I hate it when people do that.

As for the tests, there's an entire battery of tests, all consilient and overlapping in effective ranges, building up a consistent picture. Most of the tests for these periods utilise radiometric dating in some isotope or other.

My problem is I don't always trust humans to perform a battery of tests and then tell me what they mean. I can't even find someone I can trust to install a new toilet for me. I have had a hole in my bathroom wall for year now. The "wall guy" says its the toilet guys fault and the toilet guy tells me the wall guy is to blame. Everyone just does a shitty job and tries to rip everyone off.

The debunk of Ham I linked earlier will answer all your fantasy fludd questions nicely, I think. It never happened.

https://www.hackenslash.co.uk/2016/10/water-water-everywhere-nor-any-stop-to.html This right here is pretty awesome. I would like to talk about it a bit more later if we get a chance. Thanks

 

[Sparhafoc]

That sucks. I hate it when people do that.

Hey, God told Adam to do it - blame Him!

My problem is I don't always trust humans to perform a battery of tests and then tell me what they mean. I can't even find someone I can trust to install a new toilet for me. I have had a hole in my bathroom wall for year now. The "wall guy" says its the toilet guys fault and the toilet guy tells me the wall guy is to blame. Everyone just does a shitty job and tries to rip everyone off.

One of the beautiful, if harsh, devastating and ruthless facets of science is peer review. A non-specialist can't be expected to know enough to challenge the validity of hypotheses or experiments... but other experts in the field certainly can, and science actively rewards people for falsifying long held misconceptions. Science is truly an unusual enterprise and unlike any other humans have contrived.

Shitty scientists who try to rip people off lose credibility, lose opportunities to publish, and lose funding. There are undoubtedly many bullshit artists who haven't yet been exposed, but all it takes is engaging in a normal aspect of scientific method - reproducibility - for questions to start to arise. If a claim is important in a field, then naturally others working in that specific area are going to be interested and are going to want to watch whatever it is work for themselves, and they are perfectly well equipped to identify and expose falsehoods.

 

[Deleted member 619]

My problem is I don't always trust humans to perform a battery of tests and then tell me what they mean.

As my cohort says, that's what peer-review is for. You can pretty much ignore the 'humans' and focus on what they found, because their findings have been checked and rechecked many, many times, and are well beyond reasonable disputation, despite what the likes of Kent Hovind will tell you.


Remember those hyper-accurate caesium clocks we put on planes and sent around the world that showed us that the postulate of interdependent time and space dimensions is correct? Well, that's the other thing they won't tell you. Those caesium clocks and the principles of radiometric dating... are exactly the same technology!

Of course, you'll never hear a creationist apologist actually say anything about them in the same breath, and there's a good reason for that.

https://www.hackenslash.co.uk/2016/10/water-water-everywhere-nor-any-stop-to.html This right here is pretty awesome. I would like to talk about it a bit more later if we get a chance. Thanks

The chance is there whenever you want to raise it. I'd be tempted to start a thread for it, though. Fludd threads tend to grow pretty fast.

 

[Deleted member 42253]

Just to be clear, I'm not arguing 21DL's case, although it may appear that I am due to certain similar points,

You are free to disagree of course, the important part is, that you got the idea and were helpful with trying to get it across.

 

[Deleted member 42253]

I can't even find someone I can trust to install a new toilet for me. I have had a hole in my bathroom wall for year now. The "wall guy" says its the toilet guys fault and the toilet guy tells me the wall guy is to blame. Everyone just does a shitty job and tries to rip everyone off.

Word of advice, you choose handymen the same way you choose your drug dealer, with the recommendations of friends and family.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

ations of friends and family.

Word of advice, you choose handymen the same way you choose your drug dealer, with the recommendations of friends and family.

I would probably have been better off paying my drug dealer to do the job.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Plot twist: the handyman WAS your drug dealer, but you got so high you didn't realize who it was and he was too polite to refuse.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Remember those hyper-accurate caesium clocks we put on planes and sent around the world that showed us that the postulate of interdependent time and space dimensions is correct? Well, that's the other thing they won't tell you. Those caesium clocks and the principles of radiometric dating... are exactly the same technology!

Fucking WELL DONE man!!! Very cool how what you told me prior about the caesium clocks has resurfaced again here! I like smart people.

Hackenslash, I will be very busy for the next several months. I could still have time to post a thing or 2 on this forum now and then but not much time for meaningful forum-like discussion. I wonder if you wouldnt mind If contact you sometime via your blog email or in a PM sometime? I wont ask that you keep anything I say private and I even though I am a Christian I promise I wont send you stupid messages telling you that I am praying for you or anything like that. My reason for wanting to maintain a discussion with you is only for my own benefit, not yours. Not that I imagine that it could be any other way.

 

[Deleted member 619]

I'm not especially smart, but sure.

And no, such discussion is always beneficial in both directions as long as it's open and honest.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Plot twist: the handyman WAS your drug dealer, but you got so high you didn't realize who it was and he was too polite to refuse.

My guy is hard to miss and does more drugs than anyone I have ever meet in my life. I wish I could tell you more. I wish I could tell you what his job is. It would blow your mind.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I'm not especially smart

Go fuck yourself. You are especially smart. People are smart at doing different things. If we all gave credit where credit was due, the world would probably be a better place.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

From a certain perspective all weapons may be tools but not all tools are (intended as) weapons.

A "tool" for defense for example. I use x object for constructive defense. It is a defensive tool even though it is a weapon or I intend to use it as a weapon for my defense i.e firearm, mace, taser, asp etc.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

Also, y'all have Dragan, and he's downright classy. I didn't realize before interacting with him that it's physically possible to be that nice on the internet.

He's almost come full circle - so polite that he's annoying. Lol.

 

[BoganUSAFFLClerk]

The fact that modern uses include non-lethal ones - IDPA, etc - does not change the original, intended purpose of guns.

In civilian environments in the US, one is only legally allowed to shoot to stop the threat. However, the recommended target is centre-of-mass - essentially the sternum. Any shots above the pelvis are likely to be fatal - thus, even if you don't intend killing someone, using a gun in self-defence is likely to be fatal.

One of the problems of the traditional rifle is that the stock is of a fixed length - you have to find one whose stock is just right for you. Clearly a stock that you could lengthen or shorten would be better. Thus the reason for the telescopic stock. This sort of explanation would help convince TPTB in the US not to ban telescopic sights.

The name gives the wrong impression - that it's intended to hide the barrel to make it easier for snipers, etc., to use an AR to commit murder. In fact, the shroud is nothing more that the equivalent of the forward stock of the traditional rifle, allowing the person to hold the barrel without burning their hand when they shoot due to the barrel getting hot.

1) Bayonet mount. I see no reason for such - it only has usage on a battlefield, not a civilian setting.

2) Grenade/rocket launcher. Again, what possible use is this in a civilian setting?

I don't agree with the modern interpretation of the phrase "bear arms". This, properly speaking, is a term used in the context of war: one "bears arms" in war, not peace. The modern idea that this allows any Tom, Dick or Harry to wander about with a weapon is false. If you want to do that, you need the community's permission - just like members of law enforcement. IF anything happens that causes the community to lose confidence in an officer's trustworthiness with a weapon, then s/he is put on desk duty until the incident has been investigated, and the officer cleared to go back on the streets with a weapon. If the incident is so unacceptable that that's not possible then the officer may be let go.

But not the original purpose of the specific gun being used typically in competition. Competition dedicated guns are designed for the discipline in which they are competing. It is the same when we consider vehicles are to transport items or people from A to B when in competition it is only to operate within the confines of the competition thus not used to transport people or material from A to B but rather to get from A to B fast as possible regardless of payload.

The odds of being shot in the chest actually is a majority NON LETHAL in the U.S. provided that you are not hit critically and response times are prompt. The times where lethal is where you are hit critically (lungs, heart (cns) and/or response times are lacking) and no immediate first aid is rendered (TQ, compression bandage, chest seal, any airway etc).

I am confused as you what you mean by banning telescoping sights? I am not aware of any attempt of banning such an optic. Hunters use telescoping sights in order to get magnification of target.

Actually the muzzle devices such as flash suppressors are to help aid in concealment in order to hide the massive muzzle flash considering barrel length and caliber when it comes to firearms. Barrel shrouds are indeed used to protect the hand from overheating during handling and reloading of a firearm. typically these are used on shotguns and you directly grip the barrel in order to preform a reload on a shotgun if a barrel shroud is not used.

So you are saying I cannot have a knife on my FIREARM? I don't get the logic behind this. This is like prohibiting mace because it has no place in society but then ok society to use knives in defense. One is more dangerous than the other and it makes zero sense to prohibit the less dangerous of the two.

Launchers are not banned and we haven't had any crime committed with them in the U.S. why go out of your way to address an issue that isn't an issue? You can own actual grenade launchers the ammunition falls under the NFA.

Bearing arms translates to possess, carry weapons and ammunition. I can find only a few references when it pertains specifically to war. Ironically the vast majority refer to the American context of bearing arms. SCOTUS has ruled on being individual as well as organizational.

Interesting you bring up lack of confidence what happens when the criminal background check system in order to transfer a firearm flags law enforcement offers or others already carrying firearms legally? Would you then table the system due to lack of confidence in said system? That has happened repeatedly while I run background checks on others as well as attempting transfer with myself.

Also the director being appointed by the Biden administration for the ATF LOST his issue firearm while on duty serving as a field agent for the ATF in his earlier years. He is also majorly responsible for the actions committed during WACO. Would I be correct in applying your logic is to then fire the proposed director for his incompetence and the lack of confidence in his abilities?

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

A "tool" for defense for example. I use x object for constructive defense. It is a defensive tool even though it is a weapon or I intend to use it as a weapon for my defense i.e firearm, mace, taser, asp etc.

I assume you're giving an example, as nothing you wrote disproves what I said.

Kindest regards,

James