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Guns and Intent 2

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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@21st Demon Lord
Guns design and intent in general is nothing more to propel a projectile. No different than a Crossbow's design is to propel a projectile. The intent is more derived to firearms specifics and exactly what type of firearms it is intended to be used for.
 
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Deleted member 42253

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So ... its not the gun thats the problem, but the bullet?
Totally can live with that, lets forget about gun control and focus on the bullets instead. Armor piercing rounds and Dragons Breath for shotguns are already heavily regulated, if not outright banned, lets build on that..
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
So ... its not the gun thats the problem, but the bullet?
Totally can live with that, lets forget about gun control and focus on the bullets instead. Armor piercing rounds and Dragons Breath for shotguns are already heavily regulated, if not outright banned, lets build on that..
What? How are they heavily regulated? I can order both online and have them shipped to my house. What are you talking about?
 
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This is actually a fairly complex legal question on the federal level in the United States. The exact text is important in this case since the US defines armor piercing ammunition not by capability but by physical characteristics.

US Code Title 18 Chapter 44 Section 921 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

(17)(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.
So let's analyze this bit of US code. First I'll list what doesn't qualify as armor piercing ammunition by definition.

  1. Shotgun ammunition of any type. On the federal level, all shotgun ammunition is exempted from armor piercing regulations.
  2. Rifle ammunition which does meet the construction materials requirements listed for AP ammunition, but can not be chambered in a handgun which has been mass produced for the consumption of US citizens.
  3. Ammunition under the designations of .30-06 M2AP and 5.56x45 M855 have received specific exemptions since the Attorney General has found these two types of ammunition to have sporting purposes.
So any ammunition that meets those construction requirements and can be fired from a handgun is legally considered armor piercing. It is legal to buy and possess armor piercing ammunition, but it is illegal to sell armor piercing ammunition. That means you can have it, but nobody can sell it to you.


Can add that to your wacky gun laws threat :)


Dragon Breath is banned by the Hague convention and in parts of the US thanks to being a fire hazard, rather than a crime against humanity.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
This is actually a fairly complex legal question on the federal level in the United States. The exact text is important in this case since the US defines armor piercing ammunition not by capability but by physical characteristics.
Right because depending on caliber any round is inherently armor piercing. Soft Armor cannot defeat Rifle calibers.
US Code Title 18 Chapter 44 Section 921 CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
So let's analyze this bit of US code. First I'll list what doesn't qualify as armor piercing ammunition by definition.

  1. Shotgun ammunition of any type. On the federal level, all shotgun ammunition is exempted from armor piercing regulations.
  2. Rifle ammunition which does meet the construction materials requirements listed for AP ammunition, but can not be chambered in a handgun which has been mass produced for the consumption of US citizens.
  3. Ammunition under the designations of .30-06 M2AP and 5.56x45 M855 have received specific exemptions since the Attorney General has found these two types of ammunition to have sporting purposes.
So any ammunition that meets those construction requirements and can be fired from a handgun is legally considered armor piercing. It is legal to buy and possess armor piercing ammunition, but it is illegal to sell armor piercing ammunition. That means you can have it, but nobody can sell it to you.
Not true. AR-15 pistols are pistols by definition and they can chamber rifle caliber meaning green tip or brown tip.
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Can add that to your wacky gun laws threat :)
Law seems contradictory yes depending on summary. Law is ridiculous with consideration to aim to reduce crime. AP isn't generally used in crimes even prior to the law's passage.
Dragon Breath is banned by the Hague convention and in parts of the US thanks to being a fire hazard, rather than a crime against humanity.
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