I don't simply think a perfect entity should be perfect by my standards. I think a perfect entity should be perfect by all standards. And as you too pointed out, people have different standards. Some think it should be merciless some think it should be merciful. I argue that this is why i don't believe a perfect God could exist. It could have different morals then me, but then i would not recognize it as a perfect entity.2. Which is the perfect car, the 290 mph one with little space or the 276 mph one with a bit more space? in this chase (imagining there is no other car) neither is perfect, the perfect car would be one with 290 mph and a bit more space. If a car like that is impossible then a perfect car also impossible.
“There was no race. You are letting your human constraints and thoughts and limits and imagination get the better of you in defining perfection.
Have you heard of Guanillo’s (perfect) island analogy? One flaw in this is (as I mentioned to you), ‘what defines perfect?’. So, why is a 290mph car better or more perfect than a 276mph one? Are you assuming that top or high speed is beneficial or a part of perfection? If so, the speed of light or more should be the marker. If there is no reason or a negative reason to go over 70mph, then more is less (perfect). If more space is better, a bus or ship might be better, but if it takes too much road or fuel or space to be of use or gets stuck in traffic, it is less than perfect. But we might now be getting limited by our own human backwardness and focus on efficiency of fuel or environmental issues. That is why, ‘perfect needs defining. Can a speed of light spaceship with space for everyone make your perfect ice cream? No? Well it isn’t perfect. That’s another way of looking at it. Does everything need to be in one?
My Autistic mind tends to like factual things. I recall wondering why Jesus is described as very ordinary looking in the Bible, yet this seeming to contradict with my understanding of perfection (if Jesus was God).”
3. God is a warmongerer, seeking blood and combat and out to destroy the weak. it would be hard to find anyone who would acknowledge a God like that as perfect. The Polytheist gods are human-like and imperfect, with human emotions and faults (greed, pride, wrath etc.).
Also if it were true, then it would be foolish to go along with his request if its not an order. As they could easily lead to bad outcomes for us.
“Again, the fact that few people agree, or you or others consider a warmonger God to be unethical or imperfect, suggests that they are not familiar with the Judeo/Christian/Islamic literature/followers that fill the earth now and that we are merely convinced of the commonly recognised views of cherry picked morality. Remember, even today, homosexuality is a punishment by death in some countries based on religious understanding. As is killing albino people for medicine or sacrificing children or murdering or raping women for being raped or having an affair or not taking a religion seriously or a child being disobedient or obesity etc. That is worse than warmongering and it exists today. I recommend this video from the twilight zone, not dissimilar to one of the greatest films in my view (both original and modern versions of, ‘The day the earth stood still’. This is only about 7 minutes long. Enjoy:
I also note another quality in you. You own up to an error or saying something my mistake or you want to correct it. That is awesome. It demonstrates open mindedness and modesty and wanting to learn. In many discussions/debates, a focus is on tripping the opponent up or quoting something said in the past and whether taking it out of context or not allowing them to change their mind (and claiming some sort of victory), instead of just allowing for mistakes etc. and more focussing on what that person actually believes or claims, now, irrespective of the past, unless of course they are constantly changing out of deception or to get round something they have trouble with.
Your last sentence seems to have been cut off.
Btw the video was indeed interesting, but our disagreement is on a different point: what do we recognize as perfect.
My standards for perfect are so high that i don't believe it could be met, and to be honest i still don't understand your standards.
You had argued that perfect is subjective and situational, so how could a car be perfect, but then again i ask how could a God be perfect if not even a car could be.
“Again, the fact that few people agree, or you or others consider a warmonger God to be unethical or imperfect, suggests that they are not familiar with the Judeo/Christian/Islamic literature/followers that fill the earth now
I had heard about them, i just simply don't see their God as perfect.
I speak about a God who is perfect at everything. While they speak about a God with unlimited power. In the aspect of power it might be perfect, even in the aspect of knowledge. But i think there are more aspects we should talk about.
On the other hand if you only argue for a God who is perfect in these two area, then fine, but if you God can be the perfect entity then i disagree. (As the fasted car is not a perfect car)