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Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galápagos

Mr_Wilford

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Back in 2003, Beheregaray et al,. (1.) discovered something interesting. It's well known that islands are formed by Volcanic activity, and particularly young islands (those with still active volcanoes) can act as a natural laboratory to study evolution. Beheregaray et al,. looked at the genome of the population of tortoises (Geochelone nigra vandenburghi) on the Island Isabela in the Galapagos, an island with a still active volcano named Alcedo. A large scale survey of their mitochondrial DNA revealed they had an average of three to five times less matrilineal diversity than tortoise populations on other islands. This indicates that at some time in the past, they experienced a genetic bottleneck, a rather large one at that.

By looking at the molecular clocks, they were able to date the genetic bottleneck of the tortoises, giving an age range of about 72,400 to 118,700 years, with a conservative age estimate of around 88,000 years ago. Given this age range, it was obvious what the cause of the bottleneck was. Dating of solidified lavas from the nearby volcano which were from it's most recent eruption using the K-Ar method gave an age range of the eruption between 74,000 and 120,000 years. Thus, the record in the genome of the tortoises actually records the eruption event in a way.

Oh, how I'd love to see the YECs squirm with this. If both the genetic clocks and K-Ar method are so woefully inaccurate, why do these two unrelated methods cross confirm each other?

Citations:

1. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/9066176_Genes_Record_a_Prehistoric_Volcano_Eruption_in_the_Galapagos
 
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Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

I am keeping this one in my pocket of cross confirming dating methods.

Good find.
 
arg-fallbackName="DutchLiam84"/>
Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

Coincidence of course!

or..

They made the tests be similar to provide false proof for the religion of evolutionism!

or..

Dating methods are false, did you know that live sea snails were dated thousands of years old!?

or..

It was the flood!

or..

Okay, I actually can't think of another one, my "make up bullshit"-part of the brain isn't as well developed as a creationists one.
 
arg-fallbackName="Visaki"/>
Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

The Devil did it to confuse people?
 
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Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

Visaki said:
The Devil did it to confuse people?

This is there best case against science. They already believe in magic and have to use a whole lot of it in any YEC expiation. I do not see why more YECs do not just go whole hog and claim this as their rationalization against the natural world.
 
arg-fallbackName="Mr_Wilford"/>
Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

I first saw this over at christianforums and some YEC there just asserted the bottleneck date was pure speculation. That's always their fallback, it seems
 
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itsdemtitans said:
I first saw this over at christianforums and some YEC there just asserted the bottleneck date was pure speculation. That's always their fallback, it seems
We've seen it with creationists who show up here. If it isn't a direct observation or a conclusion derivable from formal logic, it is "speculation". Assigning probabilities to something is just admitting that you don't know for sure.
 
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Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

SpecialFrog said:
itsdemtitans said:
I first saw this over at christianforums and some YEC there just asserted the bottleneck date was pure speculation. That's always their fallback, it seems
We've seen it with creationists who show up here. If it isn't a direct observation or a conclusion derivable from formal logic, it is "speculation". Assigning probabilities to something is just admitting that you don't know for sure.

I guess the field of Forensic Science is alien to them
 
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Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

itsdemtitans said:
SpecialFrog said:
We've seen it with creationists who show up here. If it isn't a direct observation or a conclusion derivable from formal logic, it is "speculation". Assigning probabilities to something is just admitting that you don't know for sure.

I guess the field of Forensic Science is alien to them

After all that time you spent with bernhard I think that would be self evident now. No matter how much the same methodologies are used in other fields the moment it's applied to ToE you are lying and just making assumptions.
 
arg-fallbackName="Mr_Wilford"/>
Re: Genes record a prehistoric volcano eruption in the Galáp

keeper541 said:
After all that time you spent with bernhard I think that would be self evident now. No matter how much the same methodologies are used in other fields the moment it's applied to ToE you are lying and just making assumptions.

Oh I remember, I'm just trying to forget that whole mess.
 
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