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Friendship with an expiry date

Inferno

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arg-fallbackName="Inferno"/>
This is a bit of a rant, but I think there's a real point to be made.

Basically, I'm probably not the only one who's fed up with people I got to know ages (10+ years) ago still treating me like I didn't change in that time. Especially good friends.

Take the following situation: At some point in the past, you (that is to say, I) were an asshole. You bullied people, you were homophobic, racist and xenophobic. Yes, that was me in my youth. (Well, it was all a big joke for me, I wasn't really any of that, but I made racist/homophobic/etc. jokes, which is equally bad.) You hung out with people who shared your sense of "humour", naturally, and were really good friends with them.

Now, a decade later, you're none of that. (Or at least, you hope you're not.) You're certainly not a racist/homophobe/etc. and you don't make jokes about it, either. You've grown serious, perhaps slightly boring even, but you're out of that stupid phase. However, now you've got a problem: You stayed in touch with those people and it seems, though it might not be true, that they haven't really changed. They still have the same kind of humour and, if you're perfectly honest, they're still the asshole you tried to grow out of. (Problem is, you're now an asshole for calling them an asshole... whatever.) While you're hanging out with those people, you try to show them that you've changed, you try to tell them that their jokes are not funny.

At the end of the hanging-out session, you exchange information (because you're polite, you give your correct phone number) and one of them says: "Hey man, stay just the way you are, you always were a rad dude."

That's the worst thing someone can tell you because damn it, you have changed, for better or for worse. Heck, it'd certainly be sad if you hadn't changed since you were fourteen. However, you don't want to tell them to "fuck off" because you're slightly Canadian (racist, I'm an arsehole...) so you try to ignore them, but then your guilt kicks in and you write back. You don't want to meet them again but fuck it, you don't want to tell them to their faces that the time of friendship is over. Gah, it hurts...




Rant over. Now comes the idea and I'm sure I've heard it somewhere else, it's certainly not my idea, but I can't find it anywhere.
The idea is the following: Every 5-10 years, both of you get a little form which asks if you want to continue your friendship. A friendship agreement, if you will. If both of you tick "yes" or both tick "no", everything's fine. If one ticks "yes" and one ticks "no", the friendship is also terminated because one of the two don't want to stay in touch.

I'm sure life would be a lot easier that way. Also, it's been slightly over five years since I joined LoR, so most of you people are up for review pretty soon... ;)
 
arg-fallbackName="Prolescum"/>
I'm not averse to the idea in principle. I can't really relate to your experiences, though. My formative years were spent in a middle class, multiethnic community with good schools and clean(ish - it was London after all) streets...

sent from my Commodore Amiga 500
 
arg-fallbackName="Nemesiah"/>
Friends that treat you like you haven't changed are those that have the hardest time coping with change, specially if that change has made you happier or a better person.

I remeber someone said the you are the average of your friends so it is best to surround yourself with people you like and even admire.

That said, one doesn't "owe" friends a formal goodbye, one day you just stop answereing their calls, stop getting mixed up in their bulshit and let them rot while you advance and improve.

If you feel that your friends don't "get the real you" it because they are no longer your friends, they were friends with the guy you were and they liked you like that either because it made them feel superior by comparison, or just not so bad. Fine, if they can't change they can take the 5:30 express to hell, you are better off without them.

In spanish we have a saying that states that it is better to be alone than in bad company and I have found that it is true. It can get rather lonely but at least you have the freedom to go where you want to go and not get dragged where some idiot you happened to share a class 15 years ago wants to be.

While I don't entirely agree with everything, George Cloony said it best in "Up in the air".



Ah! movie wisdom you are my real father.
 
arg-fallbackName="Isotelus"/>
Inferno said:
Rant over. Now comes the idea and I'm sure I've heard it somewhere else, it's certainly not my idea, but I can't find it anywhere.
The idea is the following: Every 5-10 years, both of you get a little form which asks if you want to continue your friendship. A friendship agreement, if you will. If both of you tick "yes" or both tick "no", everything's fine. If one ticks "yes" and one ticks "no", the friendship is also terminated because one of the two don't want to stay in touch.

I'm sure life would be a lot easier that way. Also, it's been slightly over five years since I joined LoR, so most of you people are up for review pretty soon... ;)

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I will also say that telling someone not to fuck off in spite of yourself isn't slightly Canadian, it's all Canadian. :D
 
arg-fallbackName="DepricatedZero"/>
here dude, it's easy

People grow apart. There's no need for a form letter about it. Maybe you'll talk to eachother again 5 years down the road. Maybe not.

When I was 17 my best friend came out to me as gay. I was cool with that, never gave him shit for it. A couple years later he breaks up with his boyfriend, about the same time I start dating the worst mistake of my life. As things go on I change, he doesn't really, and I decide he's too irresponsible and unreliable to do anything with. We'd make plans, he'd sleep through them. I'd depend on him for something and be let down every. damn. time. So I just stopped talking to him, I stop giving effort because he's clearly not going to. About 2 years later, he calls me up. We go out and hang out. He tells me he's realized how much he's fucked everything up and is going to do something that he won't be able to walk away from: join the Navy. I encourage this, because it would do him a lot of good to get some discipline.

So he joins and moves to Florida. He calls me 3-4 years after that to say he's getting married and he wants me as one of his groomsmen. Ok. I go. We have a great time. That's that. Then about 5 years ago he comes to visit, we spend about an hour hanging out, and I realize he's changed a lot - for the better - but that I hardly know him any more. So that's that. I found out from a mutual friend that he came to town earlier this year, never bothered to look me up. That's cool, I'm not upset about it really, kind of sad that I've lost my childhood best friend now that I think about it, but I'm happy for him. We just don't mesh like we used to.

Maybe what your friend was trying to say was that he likes the new you as much as he ever liked the old you.
 
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