Flagging misinformation?

[PuppetXeno]

I couldn't resist... Repulsed as I was at the so manieth idiot attempting to "debunk" evolution, posting his video in the "Education" section of Youtube.

Ratings disabled, comments disabled...

I could do only one thing: flag his video as "spam" -> "misleading text"

I mean if it's in education, then it's surely misleading. If it was in any other category, like entertainment, I wouldn't have bothered.

Or am I taking it too far now?

 

[GoodKat]

Hmm, I think fundies could use a similar rationalization to flag our videos.

 

[PuppetXeno]

Well atleast I've gotten a thank-you notice from youtube, and strictly taken, the fundies can TRY to use a similar rationalization, but the Dover trial clearly dismissed creationism as religious propaganda. It's not science, and if it attacks, misrepresents and/or attempts to refute actual constructive educational science, it does not belong in the Education section. It's "god"-spam!

I guess the point is, we have law on our side. So I will happily flag these kind of videos would I come across them in the education section. Or maybe I should just ask the owners to move them to the proper section first.

 

[Aught3]

I dunno - would educating about creationism count?
If it was filed under science I would agree with you, but religious studies counts as education.

 

[GoodKat]

I personally don't want to see creatards whining about flaging campaigns, to me, holding the moral high ground is of utmost importance, thus we should "abstain from the appearance of sin."

 

[Aught3]

Yes maintaining umbrage will piss them off all the more.

 

[PuppetXeno]

I dunno - would educating about creationism count?
If it was filed under science I would agree with you, but religious studies counts as education.

Well, there is not much to learn about creationism, it all boils down to "goddidit" and that's it. It's not a study. It not something you can learn about, except that it's propaganda and conflicts with everything you *can* learn about. That's why it's disallowed to be taught in schools.

Now, bible studies or the like are a different thing. That's a real religious study, I don't mind about those. But when bull-shit enters the domain of people's life works of research and experimentation, I think it's only morally justified to do something about it...

 

[GoodKat]

when bull-shit enters the domain of people's life works of research and experimentation, I think it's only morally justified to do something about it...

I agree that it's morally justifiable, I just don't think it's strategically advantageous. I honestly wouldn't flag a creationist video even if it violated every single guideline YouTube has laid down.

 

[Synystyr]

Don't flag creationists for being creationists. You don't automatically win an argument by suppressing dissent - which applies to both sides.

 

[PuppetXeno]

Don't flag creationists for being creationists. You don't automatically win an argument by suppressing dissent - which applies to both sides.

Agreed about that, that's not my intention. What i did was flag a video for being in the wrong section. It was god-advertisement listed as "education", it was misleading to present it as scientifically correct.

Normally i wouldn't have bothered, but i was kinda pissed off. I'm not sure about it now.

 

[Aught3]

Well one 'flag' probably won't make a difference, campaigns are the real form of censorship.

 

[blinddesign]

I agree that it's morally justifiable, I just don't think it's strategically advantageous. I honestly wouldn't flag a creationist video even if it violated every single guideline YouTube has laid down.

why? so they don't see atheists as a threat and maybe we can one day hold hands and have love and harmony in youtube? nah, fuck 'em. they falsely flag videos so if you see a video in breach of guidelines- you have to flag it regardless of whether it's creationist, atheist or whatever. by your reasoning we should leave islam extremist videos alone in case we offend them.
sorry if i am ranting and being all angry but it WAS a kinda silly comment to make.

 

[GoodKat]

why? so they don't see atheists as a threat and maybe we can one day hold hands and have love and harmony in youtube? nah, fuck 'em. they falsely flag videos so if you see a video in breach of guidelines- you have to flag it regardless of whether it's creationist, atheist or whatever. by your reasoning we should leave islam extremist videos alone in case we offend them.
sorry if i am ranting and being all angry but it WAS a kinda silly comment to make.

When did I say anything about not offending anyone? I, don't give a fuck who I offend, but like I already said, their flagging campaigns against us give us a moral advantage that we can rub in their faces and use as a rallying point.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

i personally think that Flagging is wrong for only reason, it is never objective. if majority supports a certain idea that doesn't make it right, and there really is no person to judge such things as theism and atheism. this really is a big problem, i am SICK of all these propaganda bullshit i get really frustrated when i see shameless lies which YouTube is full with, any kind of misinformation, religion, especially politics and else. like video of that guy "disapproving" evolution in front of small audience, couldn't stand it more than 10 minutes.

 

[PuppetXeno]

i personally think that Flagging is wrong for only reason, it is never objective

Well that really depends. If this forum here became overrun by religious zealots who think they should educate everyone on bible trivia, and do so in every thread with lengthy rantings on morality and the impending judgement in 2012, they'll clearly be at the wrong forum and all the moderators can do is ask them to leave or ban them. This is censorship, but justified in the purpose of this forum.

Now you can say, let's keep a moral high ground and not censor them, but battle them with reason and logic instead - they probably won't listen, continue to rant wherever inappropriate and keep messing up the forum. The only way to deal with them is that big Ban button.

YouTube is ofcourse not owned by LOR, or any organisation with similar intent - but they do have an Education section. Can we please expect videos in the Education section to have atleast some educational merit - meaning, No False Information - no god-ads? IMO that just doesn't belong in that section. As I said I can't really be bothered, after all the youtube section system is nothing but a search-function for vaguely subject-related footage, but so is their flagging system happily and succesfully abused without it making any sense whatsoever aswell.

I've been thinking about the moral high ground bit, but I doubt I really care.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

no god-ads? IMO that just doesn't belong in that section

exactly religion has nothing to do with education.

 

[Gnomesmusher]

I have a shifting opinion about flagging. Overall, I hate Youtube's flagging system since it's obvious that they shoot first and ask questions (if ever) later. Normally, I don't think it's right to falsely flag someone, even if theists have been doing it. BUT it's sort of getting to the point where every other YT user who somehow offends religion gets flagged and votebotted and their account banned.

Pretty soon there won't be anyone left except the ones who abused the system. And YT doesn't care. I think when it gets bad, it's perfectly fine to stoop to their level because the only way YT will fix their shoddy system is if enough people abuse the system and send it crashing down.

But hopefully it will never get to that point. Hopefully.