SpecialFrog said:The principle "that social arrangements among men and women favour men" is a reflection of the overall state of things, not a claim that men are favoured over womenin all cases.
I can acknowledge nuance without rejecting that principle so this doesn't remotely qualify me as an antifeminist under that definition.
And for the record, I do consider myself a feminist.
Let us grab the quote again
Feminist sociologist Michael Flood argues that an antifeminist ideology rejects at least one of what he identifies as the three general principles of feminism:
1.That social arrangements among men and women are neither natural nor divinely determined.
2.That social arrangements among men and women favor men
3.That there are collective actions that can and should be taken to transform these arrangements into more just and equitable arrangements, such as those in the timelines of woman's suffrage and other rights.
It does not state anything about it being a "Reflection of the overall state of things", that is something you have read into it yourself.
So, this is the standards we are dealing with;
A: SpecialFrog acknowledges that in some cases the social arrangements favor women over men, SpecialFrog is a feminist
B: Hoff-sommers acknowledges that in some cases the social arrangements favor women over men, Hoff-sommers is an anti-feminist
good to know.
SpecialFrog said:While there may be specific instances of this I don't see any evidence that it is true in general. You can hardly say that Christina Hoff-Summers has been silenced.
Richard Dawkins makes the claim that he is being silenced all the time (sometimes by feminists). Usually he makes this claim in an interview with a major media outlet.
To that i say, their attempts have not been succesfull, yet.
there is a youtube video where she explains how they tried to silence them.
i have something more recent to read:
https://www.change.org/p/cardiff-university-do-not-host-germaine-greer#petition-letter
"Germaine Greer will not give Cardiff University lecture because of abuse over views on transgender people"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/germaine-greer-will-not-give-cardiff-university-lecture-because-of-abuse-over-views-on-transgender-a6707236.html
“I’m getting fed up with this,” she said. “I’ve had things thrown at me, I’ve been accused of things I’ve never done or said.
“People seem to have no concern about evidence or indeed even about libel.”
SpecialFrog said:In what sense do women have more reproductive and / or contraceptive rights?
For this example, we will assume were in a society where abortion is allowed.
It's legal where i live, but we see issues with it in america.
A woman is pregnant.
Woman wants the abortion, man wants the abortion: no issue
Woman wants the abortion, man wants to keep the child: Woman (can) get the abortion
Woman wants to keep the child, man wants the abortion: Woman can keep the child
Woman wants to keep the child, man wants to keep the child: no issue
Based on the possibilities, the system favors the woman over the man.
With regards to contraceptives, women have alot more options.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control
True, this doesn't equate to a right. but it gives them more abilities to practice that right.
SpecialFrog said:Are saying that areas where men are advantaged are largely due to rigid gender ideas? Of course I agree with that.
Which seems to mean that we agree that feminism -- in combating rigid ideas of gender -- is helping men and women, contrary to your previous claim.
i don't think we do agree on feminism and how to deal with inequality.
This implies that rights of men are the standard, to which women's rights must be changed (read: increased).ˈfeməˌnizəm/ = the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
The facts that the definition start with "the advocacy of women's rights" clearly states where the priority lies.
If feminism was really was about truely equality for both genders, the definition would be more along the lines of:
"The advocacy of the rights of women and men, on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality."
This is why i prefer egalitarianism over feminism and MRA.