Exposing Harun Yahya as a fraud....again...

[mighty_cats]

Over the years, I've put out many challenges to Harun Yahya supporters that I can refute absolutely any claim on miracles and
evolution that he presents, but luckily these days, I no longer have to, he's decided to make my life easier and start exposing himself as a liar , rather than waiting for me to do it for him...


In the following video, Harun yahya makes the argument that the Atmosphere consists of 7 layers and that the Quran mentions this information.
(Even though inorder to get that number, you have to subjectively include some layers but reject others)
(Feel free to check the nasa or wikipedia sites for confirmation)

(I could also make a major long argument for how the Quran says nothing of the sort, but let's hypothetically say otherwise to save time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxUH_khHqX8&feature=player_embedded


At 0:48 , harun uses a part of a verse that states "Then he turned to the heavens when it was smoke"
Interesting how he uses this verse to 'prove' this miracle ,as it also happens to show up here aswell...
http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_04.html
On one of his websites where the verse is used to 'prove' a phase in the universes creation.


at 0:54 another part of a verse is used, "In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed in every heaven, its own mandate"

Now, by this time, I was starting to wonder why half of the verses were always blurred out, so I went back abit and paused the video just before the blurring started, so what does the verse say in its entirety?


"In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed in every heaven, its own mandate.....

...and we adorned the sky nearest to the Earth with lights and made them secure"



So perhaps Mr Yahya would like to explain to us all, exactly which part of the 'lowest heaven' the stars are in tonight, because by his own standards, the stars should be around 10-20 KM above us....because im sure he didnt MEAN to blur out that part of the verse... :roll:

atleast not until a few days later, where he uses the '7 heavens' miracle concept again.....this time in regards to the layers of the Earth instead..

http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_p1_04.php#3 :roll:


This topic is courtesy from your friends at the council of ex muslims forum board.
Feel free to check out my channel for the debunking of all 'quranic miracle' claims, one by one.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheIslammiracle.

Take care

 

[Nelson]

Well basically he is operating from some really ridiculous premises. The main idea is that:

If the interpretation of the verse supports my preconceived ideas then it is correct. If the interpretation does not support my ideas, then it is incorrect.

So, if you can interpret 7 heavens to be 7 layers of atmosphere (never mind the fact that there aren't really distinct layers at all), then this interpretation is obviously correct. But, since the stars are not only 10km overhead, this interpretation is also incorrect. This is where the tricky bit comes in because in order to accept both of these, you also have to reject the principle of non-contradiction (this seems to be fairly common in religion).

So, as you can see, perfectly reasonable. The 7 heavens refers to the 7 layers of atmosphere, but it also DOES NOT refer to the 7 layers of atmosphere. Ta-da!

Edit:

I can also use this logic (via the principle of explosion) to prove the non-existence of god.

Premises:

Either god does not exist, or the interpretation is correct. (this premise is fine, because the interpretation is correct)
The interpretation is not correct. (this premise is also fine, because the interpretation is not correct)

Conclusion:

God does not exist.