Explaining Macroevolution to a creationist

[JohnHeintz]

Disgustingly dishonest and weaselly behaviour.

Weaselly? Is that even a word. Anyway. Why? I told this person when they started using profanity I would no longer engage their conversation. They have kept going for days. It's pathetic. It's borderline pathological.
Dishonest? Buy. Dictionary. Dishonest doesn't fit. I can't believe he would keep replying. True. I don't care about what he has to say. True.
Conclusion. One of you is a sock account of the other. Or. You are sticking up for the others that share your world view for the sake of doing so.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Weaselly? Is that even a word. Anyway. Why? I told this person when they started using profanity I would no longer engage their conversation. They have kept going for days. It's pathetic. It's borderline pathological.
Dishonest? Buy. Dictionary. Dishonest doesn't fit. I can't believe he would keep replying. True. I don't care about what he has to say. True.
Conclusion. One of you is a sock account of the other. Or. You are sticking up for the others that share your world view for the sake of doing so.

More outright lying John.

You never once complained about my 'profanity' - whatever juvenile notion that is - you threw your toys out of the pram because you claimed I called your honesty into question.

You have decided what I think. You have decided what I believe. You are so sure that you know about me better than I do myself that you have implied that I'm lying.
There is no further need for you to reply to anything that I write. It would be an incredible waste of time if you continue to decide what I think, say and believe.

Of course, I didn't actually do that in the first instance either...

While I don't wish to contend you're lying - I don't believe you.

That's the actual sentence I wrote which spurred all these amateur dramatics from you.

Meanwhile, you've provided example after example of why I would have been absolutely justified in calling you dishonest at that time.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Who did you think you were fooling, John?

 

[Deleted member 619]

Weaselly? Is that even a word.

Of course it's a word. Did you understand it? Was there any ambiguity on what I meant by it?

I love that you think you've found these little gotchas, when all you've really done is shown that it isn't possible to hold your views without being a complete fucking liar, liar.

Anyway. Why? I told this person when they started using profanity I would no longer engage their conversation.

I couldn't give a flying fuck, you dumb cunt. Profanity? Cretinous, brainwanking magical thinking. You have to establish profanity, and you can't do that, because it's predicated on the existence of your pathetic masturbation fantasy, which provably doesn't exist.

They have kept going for days. It's pathetic. It's borderline pathological.

And they'll keep going until your sordid tenure here comes to an end or you learn how shit works here.

Dishonest? Buy. Dictionary. Dishonest doesn't fit.

I don't need a dictionary, not least because I know something about words and dictionaries that you clearly don't: dictionaries are not authorities on what words mean. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how language works. Dictionaries describe usage. There's no such thing as an authority on what words mean, because words don't have intrinsic meaning.

One more thing you have no fucking clue about.

I can't believe he would keep replying. True.

It's almost amazing to me how selective your credulity can be. Actually, I'm lying, it's not even surprising, because you fit the profile of every liar lying for his lie that ever lied here. You're a liar. Worse, you're lying to yourself.

I don't care about what he has to say. True.

Liar. If you didn't care, you wouldn't even respond. It's obvious that you care so much you can't help answering, despite not actually providing any sort of coherent response to the volumes of factually correct information laid at your feet by the learned here. It's perfectly obvious by your response that you felt compelled to expend more effort on responding to it than you've put into word one of discharging your discursive responsibilities here.

Conclusion. One of you is a sock account of the other. Or. You are sticking up for the others that share your world view for the sake of doing so.

Or, I fucking loathe lies for doctrine and am unwilling to leave it unchallenged.

Lying cunt.

 

[Sparhafoc]

There you go John - you wanted 'profanity', you got it.

Now how about you stop playing silly buggers with people who know you're playing silly buggers and start engaging here with a bit of honesty?

Or don't, no one cares, but don't whine when your malign behavior nets you corresponding treatment.

 

[JohnHeintz]

Of course it's a word. Did you understand it? Was there any ambiguity on what I meant by it?

I love that you think you've found these little gotchas, when all you've really done is shown that it isn't possible to hold your views without being a complete fucking liar, liar.

I couldn't give a flying fuck, you dumb cunt. Profanity? Cretinous, brainwanking magical thinking. You have to establish profanity, and you can't do that, because it's predicated on the existence of your pathetic masturbation fantasy, which provably doesn't exist.

And they'll keep going until your sordid tenure here comes to an end or you learn how shit works here.

I don't need a dictionary, not least because I know something about words and dictionaries that you clearly don't: dictionaries are not authorities on what words mean. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how language works. Dictionaries describe usage. There's no such thing as an authority on what words mean, because words don't have intrinsic meaning.

One more thing you have no fucking clue about.

It's almost amazing to me how selective your credulity can be. Actually, I'm lying, it's not even surprising, because you fit the profile of every liar lying for his lie that ever lied here. You're a liar. Worse, you're lying to yourself.

Liar. If you didn't care, you wouldn't even respond. It's obvious that you care so much you can't help answering, despite not actually providing any sort of coherent response to the volumes of factually correct information laid at your feet by the learned here. It's perfectly obvious by your response that you felt compelled to expend more effort on responding to it than you've put into word one of discharging your discursive responsibilities here.

Or, I fucking loathe lies for doctrine and am unwilling to leave it unchallenged.

Lying cunt.

Sock account. Same baby temper. Same baby profanity.

Of course it's a word. Did you understand it? Was there any ambiguity on what I meant by it?

I love that you think you've found these little gotchas, when all you've really done is shown that it isn't possible to hold your views without being a complete fucking liar, liar.

I couldn't give a flying fuck, you dumb cunt. Profanity? Cretinous, brainwanking magical thinking. You have to establish profanity, and you can't do that, because it's predicated on the existence of your pathetic masturbation fantasy, which provably doesn't exist.

And they'll keep going until your sordid tenure here comes to an end or you learn how shit works here.

I don't need a dictionary, not least because I know something about words and dictionaries that you clearly don't: dictionaries are not authorities on what words mean. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how language works. Dictionaries describe usage. There's no such thing as an authority on what words mean, because words don't have intrinsic meaning.

One more thing you have no fucking clue about.

It's almost amazing to me how selective your credulity can be. Actually, I'm lying, it's not even surprising, because you fit the profile of every liar lying for his lie that ever lied here. You're a liar. Worse, you're lying to yourself.

Liar. If you didn't care, you wouldn't even respond. It's obvious that you care so much you can't help answering, despite not actually providing any sort of coherent response to the volumes of factually correct information laid at your feet by the learned here. It's perfectly obvious by your response that you felt compelled to expend more effort on responding to it than you've put into word one of discharging your discursive responsibilities here.

Or, I fucking loathe lies for doctrine and am unwilling to leave it unchallenged.

Lying cunt.

Of course it's a word. Did you understand it? Was there any ambiguity on what I meant by it?

I love that you think you've found these little gotchas, when all you've really done is shown that it isn't possible to hold your views without being a complete fucking liar, liar.

I couldn't give a flying fuck, you dumb cunt. Profanity? Cretinous, brainwanking magical thinking. You have to establish profanity, and you can't do that, because it's predicated on the existence of your pathetic masturbation fantasy, which provably doesn't exist.

And they'll keep going until your sordid tenure here comes to an end or you learn how shit works here.

I don't need a dictionary, not least because I know something about words and dictionaries that you clearly don't: dictionaries are not authorities on what words mean. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not how language works. Dictionaries describe usage. There's no such thing as an authority on what words mean, because words don't have intrinsic meaning.

One more thing you have no fucking clue about.

It's almost amazing to me how selective your credulity can be. Actually, I'm lying, it's not even surprising, because you fit the profile of every liar lying for his lie that ever lied here. You're a liar. Worse, you're lying to yourself.

Liar. If you didn't care, you wouldn't even respond. It's obvious that you care so much you can't help answering, despite not actually providing any sort of coherent response to the volumes of factually correct information laid at your feet by the learned here. It's perfectly obvious by your response that you felt compelled to expend more effort on responding to it than you've put into word one of discharging your discursive responsibilities here.

Or, I fucking loathe lies for doctrine and am unwilling to leave it unchallenged.

Lying cunt.

Sock account. Same baby temper. Same baby profanity. Unbelievably pathetic.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Dishonest? Buy. Dictionary. Dishonest doesn't fit.

Dishonesty like:

Refusing to answer questions, the answers to which would be inconvenient for you.
Dismissing evidence without reviewing it, then demanding the kind of evidence you just dismissed.
Quoting lines from an article which, once reviewed, shows no instances of those alleged quotes.
Claiming that people did X when they expressly did not-X.

The cap fits John - whine all you like, but if you continue behaving with such dishonesty, then it only stands to reason that people will start to react to that dishonesty unfavourably.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Sock account. Same baby temper. Same baby profanity.



Sock account. Same baby temper. Same baby profanity. Unbelievably pathetic.

Obvious troll is obvious.

You're just making yourself look like a complete tool, John.

Everyone here knows that Hackenslash and I are two different people. Your silly little game reflects only on you.

 

[Sparhafoc]

While I don't wish to contend you're lying - I don't believe you. I think your rejection of common ancestry is specifically motivated by religious belief. I think it's possible you may not realize that, but I find it very hard to believe that you're engaging in scientific skepticism here absent any relevant knowledge.

You assuredly don't hold your own religious beliefs up to the same degree of scrutiny.

This is the actual post (#81) which provoked John into declaring he will no longer speak to me.

Methinks the accusations of 'profanity' was a result of me civilly pointing out hypocrisy, and John wanting to find some drama to evade having to address it.

Anyone spotted John having offered any support for his religious beliefs since? No? Then I think that's a perfectly reasonable hypothesis. All these personal accusations are just because the hypocrisy of John's argumentation was identified, and he wants to make the difficult stuff he can't address go away.

 

[Sparhafoc]

How well is that 'ignoring' people working, John?

 

[JohnHeintz]

This Sparhoc is still replying. Can someone please let him know that nobody cares. Or tell his sock account Hackensack that nobody cares.

 

[Sparhafoc]

This Sparhoc is still replying. Can someone please let him know that nobody cares. Or tell his sock account Hackensack that nobody cares.

You're done, chap.

Obvious trolling like this in such a small group of people isn't going to score you points.

Meanwhile, everyone - yes EVERYONE - can read the thread throughout and acknowledge that you still haven't honestly answered one single question, whereas I clearly spent a lot of time and effort providing you with information you pretended you were interested in.

You can't control the narrative by 'ignoring' me though John - best learn that for your next trolling attempts.

 

[We are Borg]

You all forget that John is a creationist so misrepresentation, lying, begging the question and so on is what he does best. He is not here to learn but to spread his ideas and misrepresent evolution in every way he can. Only the extremists can’t handle evolution well most can’t handle the real world either.

His God must be the best entity out there else his world doesn’t make sense for him, he is to afraid to not have a God.

Aron will not respond until you answer his questions he asked you, he does not have unlimited time.

 

[JohnHeintz]

You all forget that John is a creationist so misrepresentation, lying, begging the question and so on is what he does best. He is not here to learn but to spread his ideas and misrepresent evolution in every way he can. Only the extremists can’t handle evolution well most can’t handle the real world either.

His God must be the best entity out there else his world doesn’t make sense for him, he is to afraid to not have a God.

Aron will not respond until you answer his questions he asked you, he does not have unlimited time.

One . As I said in the beginning. My disbelief in universal common ancestry has nothing to do with religion, religious texts or belief of any kind of that nature.
Two. I do not care if Aron Ra never responds.
He dropped a challenge that "in 12 exchanges he would , to my satisfaction, have me accept universal common ancestry completely and realise how ridiculous organised religion or creation is". I did answer his questions .
He kept saying that my answers weren't good enough. Additionally, I asked to change topics for this reason. I don't know HOW I was supposed to answer. Or in WHAT WORDING would be acceptable.
Either way. It was his challenge. I reckon he is backing out and wants to use the excuse "John didn't answer my questions".

 

[Sparhafoc]

One . As I said in the beginning. My disbelief in universal common ancestry has nothing to do with religion, religious texts or belief of any kind of that nature.

And as far as I am aware, people are entitled to disagree that this is a true statement.

Two. I do not care if Aron Ra never responds.

He says after plaintively wondering where Aron Ra is.

He dropped a challenge that "in 12 exchanges he would , to my satisfaction, have me accept universal common ancestry completely and realise how ridiculous organised religion or creation is".

Only in a world in which honesty means nothing.

I did answer his questions .

Lies.

He kept saying that my answers weren't good enough.

No, he kept saying that you weren't answering his questions and explained very clearly what he'd asked you.

Additionally, I asked to change topics for this reason. I don't know HOW I was supposed to answer. Or in WHAT WORDING would be acceptable.

No one has demanded that you speak in jargon - instead, your refusal to actually provide answers to direct questions in plain English has been noted by... 4 people separately?

Either way. It was his challenge. I reckon he is backing out and wants to use the excuse "John didn't answer my questions".

Says the Obvious Troll who keeps making up rules on the fly that just so happen to suit his Obvious Trolling.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Incidentally, I also declare myself winner of everything... I get all the points! I'm just that special that I'm not only the winner, but also get to choose who the winner is! Go me! I rock!

 

[We are Borg]

He can only teach when you answer his questions to the best of your ability an saying i do not believe in that can be a good answer. But not engaging in post or jumping from a to z back to k etc he can’t teach.

Common ancestry has nothing to do with believing it’s how evolution works, ask you this question: what would we gain by lying to the world about evolution and common ancestry. We understand evolution and we now can say a disease does x but can become y (look at Covid), so now we can find out real fast what will happen.

 

[Sparhafoc]

God made every virus, He made their virulent stings, He made us as their vectors, God is evident in everything!

 

[JohnHeintz]

He can only teach when you answer his questions to the best of your ability an saying i do not believe in that can be a good answer. But not engaging in post or jumping from a to z back to k etc he can’t teach.

Common ancestry has nothing to do with believing it’s how evolution works, ask you this question: what would we gain by lying to the world about evolution and common ancestry. We understand evolution and we now can say a disease does x but can become y (look at Covid), so now we can find out real fast what will happen.

this

Common ancestry has nothing to do with how how Evolution works. I agree. Natural selection, mutations, drift , inheritance and others are all real things. Living organisms adapt to their environment. 100% true.
Saying that single cell organisms became every living organism on the planet......a whole other thing. I do not believe it happened.
Anyway. If Aron can't teach. Then Aron can't teach. But let's not make childish excuses where the students don't answer the questions the right way , has anything to do with it
Final note. Just because viruses mutate doesn't mean that ape like ancestors became human beings. You are comparing two very different scenarios

 

[JohnHeintz]

Sparhoc. There's something I want to discuss with you. Oh wait,. No there isn't. And there never will be. So stop embarrassing yourself.