Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no really!)

[YesIAMJames]

I was going to make a video about this but I kinda lost the widow of opportunity but thought it was at least worth writing about. Now YES of course any rational person understands the burden of proof but Shock is an idiot no amount of logic or metaphors are going to convince him of the burden of proof. Shame on you fellow atheists, you've been going about this completely the wrong way....

First evidence that atheism is accurate. Something can be accurate without being correct for example Newtonian physics are astonishingly accurate on anything solar system size or smaller and anything moving slower than a couple of percent the speed of light but it isn't correct, it falls apart if you go past that. Atheism is accurate because it fits with every observation we make of the universe, we could be wrong but it is still accurate within a range of observations we've made as we haven't needed to utilize a god variable. Next up we need to prove that atheism is correct.

You need to use his OWN logic against him. So lets examine his own beliefs.:

God is perfect and inspired the bible (which is also perfect)

Since the bible is perfect and imperfection disproves the bible and thus destroys his concept of the perfect god.

He believes that you need to prove that a god doesn't exist.

He doesn't believe in any god accept Yahweh.

Therefor unless he actually admits that he is a hypocrite (which will NEVER happen), then he must have evidence that every god from Amon to Zeus don't exist.

Since he will admit that there must be proof and evidence that every other god doesn't exist this then leaves you with the very easy task of finding a single flaw in the bible. You can do this any way you want but I would use the example of species diversity completely disagreeing with the Noah's arc model (if Noah's arc was real then you would see the greatest diversity or animals around mount Ararat).

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's a simpler answer.

Atheism is accurate and correct, because an answer coming from an atheist has a valid grounds or basis; the atheist relies on what is real and observable of which can be repeatedly tested; where if compared with a theist who relies on the existence of something unproven or imaginary.

 

[dustinianthagr8]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Atheism is accurate and correct for everyone, and it is always for the same reasons.

Shock of God is a nonbeliever when it comes to all the Gods on this web page. http://www.crystalinks.com/aztecgods.html

and on this page http://www.desy.de/gna/interpedia/greek_myth/olympian.html#Olympians

To further understand his question you have to let him know that he is being redundant, proof can be defined as any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something. In this way, proof IS evidence

The proof and evidence that these Gods don't exist lies in the contradictions the strories told about these Gods have with reality, and I am sure Shock of God would agree to that.

Same thing applies to the Christian God.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's another simple way to answer the question.

When a theist is asked why he is accurate and correct, he will say, because god's with me, therefore my answer is accurate and correct.

When an atheist is asked why he is accurate and correct, he will say, because I can demonstrate my explanation to you and as many times as you require from me, therefore my answer is accurate and correct.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's the only correct answer to the question:

Category error! Atheism is not a truth claim.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's the only correct answer to the question:

Category error! Atheism is not a truth claim.

Well, the question does not talk about a truth claim. It only asks whether if evidences provides atheism to be accurate and correct.

In short, do we have proof that atheism complete?

In a strict sense, the answer is no, because atheism does not provide all the answers. What atheism does is (definition of atheism).

I think who ever made this question compares atheism to his theistic beliefs, where the bible says it is complete.

 

[Andiferous]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's the only correct answer to the question:

Category error! Atheism is not a truth claim.

Nicely put, Mr. Slash.

In short, do we have proof that atheism complete?
In a strict sense, the answer is no, because atheism does not provide all the answers. What atheism does is (definition of atheism).

I think who ever made this question compares atheism to his theistic beliefs, where the bible says it is complete.

Perhaps, but I'd argue that to be true to the philosophy, we'd have to acknowledge correctness or truthness would be merely speculation, and atheists would be changing to meet the criterion of truth-seekers. In other words, to claim atheism as absolute truth could be viewed as hypocrisy. No offense, Mr. !James and others.

Incidentally, I babble all the time, and most of the time you should ignore my tag, unless otherwise indicated.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

I've tried tackling the query in another light, it seems to ask the atheist if he or she can validate his or her belief (yes, atheism is a belief template). Why in the liberal sense, why is it okay to be an atheist?

to claim atheism as absolute truth could be viewed as hypocrisy

Correct. Because nothing is 100% certain, unless it is within the realms of mathematics and philosophy. However, I am inclined to believe that change is absolute, but I can't claim it to be so, not with 100% certainty. >.<

 

[Andiferous]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Correct. Because nothing is 100% certain, unless it is within the realms of mathematics and philosophy. However, I am inclined to believe that change is absolute, but I can't claim it to be so, not with 100% certainty. >.<

I believe that is a great reason to be an atheist.

 

[Pandawa]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

being 100% sure would make you as bad as the theists!

a funny vid proving the opposite:

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

being 100% sure would make you as bad as the theists!

Actually, I don't mind if there was a way to ascertain something 100%, the problem is, in the viewpoint of a person, he or she is incapable of doing so, because everything we sense from the moment we focus from one thought to another, where we try to recall the former, is no longer accurate. >.<

 

[Cephei]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

You could always point out the fact that God told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit of knowledge, they would surely die. But according to the Bible, they became around 900 years old, so either God was wrong, the Bible is wrong, or God was lying to them.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

You could always point out the fact that God told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit of knowledge, they would surely die. But according to the Bible, they became around 900 years old, so either God was wrong, the Bible is wrong, or God was lying to them.

I'll play the devils advocate, because I see an enthymeme which needs to be addressed. The enthymeme is the claim where if one eats from the fruit of knowledge, assuming this really happened or even if it didn't, such person will surely die. Am I wrong to say that eventually Adam and Eve died? Even if they reached 900 years, they still died in the end. Therefore, god was correct, the bible was correct, and god didn't lie to them.

A counter argument to this, even if it is indirectly related are the following: Did god exist? Did adam and eve exist? Did the event exist? Was there really a fruit of knowledge? Did they live up to 900 years? The one fact we know is people die.

The alternative explanation for that provision is to explain the reason why people die. It can be presumed that in the past, people didn't know why they died. To some, it must have bothered them and since they can observe from each generation that people eventually died, they wised for an explanation and a reason to continue living. The Bible provision provides the reason and gives them a reason, even if it is dishonest, to continue living.

Of course there are many reasons or causes of death, but I'll leave that for another day or unless you're interested.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Here's the only correct answer to the question:

Category error! Atheism is not a truth claim.

Well, the question does not talk about a truth claim.

It absolutely does talk about a truth claim. That is the entire thrust of the question. It asks, in essence, 'is atheism true', which paints it as a truth claim. It isn't one, so to ask for evidence that it's true is to commit a category error.

It only asks whether if evidences provides atheism to be accurate and correct.

Exactly, which is a category error, because it isn't a truth claim. Asking is it 'accurate and correct' is precisely the same as asking if it's true, which denotes it as a truth claim.

In short, do we have proof that atheism complete?

Sorry, but that's simply not correct. Completeness has absolutely nothing to do with the question being asked. The question is 'is it accurate and correct', which is exactly equivalent to asking if it's true.

 

[RedYellow]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

You could always point out the fact that God told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit of knowledge, they would surely die. But according to the Bible, they became around 900 years old, so either God was wrong, the Bible is wrong, or God was lying to them.

Yeah, sorry but I think it was meant that Adam and Eve were now able to die. Also, it could imply a spiritual death. In any case, this wouldnt be proof of atheism.

 

[Cephei]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

You could always point out the fact that God told Adam and Eve that if they ate the fruit of knowledge, they would surely die. But according to the Bible, they became around 900 years old, so either God was wrong, the Bible is wrong, or God was lying to them.

Yeah, sorry but I think it was meant that Adam and Eve were now able to die. Also, it could imply a spiritual death. In any case, this wouldnt be proof of atheism.

It says nothing about Adam and Eve being immortal in the first place, and since the Bible is the ultimate source of divine knowledge, I have a feeling it wouldn't leave that out

I know it isn't proof of atheism, but it's an example of inconsistencies in the Bible.

 

[Yfelsung]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Atheism is accurate and correct because no other answer is right.

Atheism is the default, it's right until proven wrong.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

Atheism is accurate and correct because no other answer is right.

Atheism is the default, it's right until proven wrong.

This is a simple and sweet answer. Besides, atheism can't be proven wrong. Everything is already here. There is no need to add another factor, like a god or supernatural to explain why they exist, unless there is clear proof pointing to such a conclusion.

 

[Yfelsung]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

That's what I would mean by proving wrong. If someone finally went "Hey, here's God" then atheism would be wrong, but that hasn't happened and likely will never happen so that's why atheism is right.

 

[lrkun]

Re: Evidence that atheism is accurate and correct. (no reall

That's what I would mean by proving wrong. If someone finally went "Hey, here's God" then atheism would be wrong, but that hasn't happened and likely will never happen so that's why atheism is right.

Ha! We now have a perfect answer to the arse's question. Atheism is accurate and correct, because god has yet to show himself.