http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/669521/76c2a9da/haatbaarden_in_engeland_tegen_wilders.html
it weirdly feels like a joke, but this is some scary shit..
it weirdly feels like a joke, but this is some scary shit..
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ehh lol? uk needs to insult/free speech more?
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ImprobableJoe
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Yeah... I mean, we Americans have the murderous Christian nuts, but at least they are white people. :shock:Don-Sama said:
one of the interesting things the first person in the video, was Theo van gogh (probably not related to vincent van Gogh) who was murdered by a tottaly deranged muslim... yeah, great example to follow a nutjob that even muslims in holland think should be kept in a straightjacket.
the speech of the second person, in my opinion, only proves the point of Geert Wilders which Geert Wilders can use to his advantage.
so it makes me wonder if that person even understand the subject.
is it just me or are the guys in the video unable to understand what the terms "free speech" and "freedom"is?
i wonder how these guys would reply to the question; "if you want to live in a muslim state, why not move to the middle east?"
the speech of the second person, in my opinion, only proves the point of Geert Wilders which Geert Wilders can use to his advantage.
so it makes me wonder if that person even understand the subject.
is it just me or are the guys in the video unable to understand what the terms "free speech" and "freedom"is?
i wonder how these guys would reply to the question; "if you want to live in a muslim state, why not move to the middle east?"
ImprobableJoe
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Yeah, and the word "democracy" comes up a couple of times, in the context it seems to mean "come outside so we can beat you up."nemesiss said:
They have essentially declared war on anyone not Muslim... I wonder how many people realize that.
Anyone not Muslim is an infidel. Any infidel is to be put to death. 4+ billion people are not Muslim. Any state that is not Muslim must take this as the intention to over throw them. Therefor all states should take this as a declaration of war.
Anyone not Muslim is an infidel. Any infidel is to be put to death. 4+ billion people are not Muslim. Any state that is not Muslim must take this as the intention to over throw them. Therefor all states should take this as a declaration of war.
borrofburi
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Yah but at least we can criticize them without being called racists.GreatLich said:
nemesiss said:
He was actually. technically a Nephew I think, his great-grandfathe was vincent van gogh's brother.
About the topic though, I always secretly wish some group of moderate muslims would come there as well, preferably imams, and point to whatever verse the koran holds that says they shouldn't be so hateful.
But then again, that would be like christian priests going to the west baptist people and doing the same.
Which makes me wonder really, not always, but often with christian groups we specify which sub-sub-branch they are, yet unless we are talking about some foreign country we never do with muslims. I'm pretty sure there are many forms of islam, I wonder if they simply don't identify themselves with specific branches, or that we simply don't ask.
Vladimir
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I find stuff like this really irritating. If they want a Muslim state, then they should live in a Muslim state. The UK and the Netherlands are not Muslim states and if they have a problem with that then they should move elsewhere. It really isn't hard. Does anyone actually understand why they want the UK and Netherlands to be Muslim states? Why are they so desperate about this?
Because obviously they want Islam to conquer the entire world.Vladimir said:
These guys are morons, they talk about freedom, yet want to kill him for free speech, impose sharia law and convert everyone, through whatever means to Islam, they want the police to leave and let him suffer mob justice, thats not justice. No one would take them seriously if there wasn't so many of them and they were dead set serious about prepared...
Edit:... to kill and die should a religious figure tell them to.
And I bet alot of them after stating that the Muslim faith demands his head, and many would probably say that this was just, that they would then go on to call Islam a/the religion of peace... and they have the nerve to call the UK gov hypocrits.
They want to enjoy western freedoms, and use them against us, yet condemn them and make it clear that once they convert the world they'll do away with things like freedom of speech, YET THEY'RE PROTESTING... seriously!
Basically, "Islam is a religion of peace, and I'll kill anyone who says otherwise"... yeah, I'm so done with treating these people like sane, rational, intelligent adults.
I can't speak for the UK, but as to the Netherlands:Vladimir said:
Basically because we're letting them.
The Dutch have a history of religious tolerance, fine. But Dutch law also provides for "freedom of religion" and this is what's being abused.
For example an Imam could not be prosecuted because his statements on homosexuality (paraphrasing: "the gays should be dropped headfirst from a tall building") were protected because of freedom of religion. (yes, this wasn't hate speech, but religious speech, go figure)
The Dutch currently have a prime-minister who is of the opinion that "one cannot function without religion". (and has openly stated this)
The Dutch political system features confessional parties that, until recently, did not allow women to join (now remedied but largely ignored for a long time)
Dutch freedom of religion means that confessional schools (funded by government, just like public schools are... freedom of religion remember) are permitted to say "It's ok to be gay, just not "do gay"..." (and thus they continue to discriminate against homosexuals.)
Currently, Dutch separation of state and church is a joke as is its democracy, there's "equality under the law" except the religious are a little more equal than others... Muslims aren't stupid, thus they take advantage.
A more cogent argument against an Islamic state, I could not make. That is why I am in favour of free speech, give them enough rope and they hang themselves with it. When that first guy was asked whether he would carry out the killing, he backed off. He knew precisely how far he could go without getting arrested, he wasn't enraged or outraged just wanted to try and scare people out of criticising Islam. Also, Islam will conquer the UK? Treason!
What I want to know is where are the denouncements from the Imams who are supposed to be in charge of this religion? Do these people speak for you, or not?
What I want to know is where are the denouncements from the Imams who are supposed to be in charge of this religion? Do these people speak for you, or not?
WolfAU said:
wouldn't it sound like divine retribution if those people were arrested for hate speech?
if i would be standing there and see that happening i would grab a piece of card board and write on it "EPIC FAIL!"... i hope i can keep myself from laughing too hard then.
what I was wondering about seeing the Video: They always shout "Allahu Akbar" which means "God is great(or the greatest)" but they seem to think that their God isnt even capable of handling Wilders himself so that they have to step in and defend their God from insults. If their God(or any God from another Religion) is so all powerful why are there Laws(or in this case Mobs) on Earth to Protect him from those Insults? And why don,´t they think that those Protests are an insult to their God itself(because they portray him weaker as he is suppose to be) ?
GreatLich said:
While I do to a certain degree hold the same sentiments, the separation of state and church has very little to do with the religion of politician. The church in that sentence really does refer to the church. So unless J P balkenende becomes a bishop, priest or imam, it isn't in conflict with the separation.
Although it must be said that parties like CU and especially SGP are very much borderlining it.
ImprobableJoe
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This is the eternal struggle of humanity: we want the moderates(of any type) to step up and control the extremists(of any type) but the problem is that the people who are loudest and most motivated to action are the extremists. No one pays attention to the guys saying "hey, I mean... we should, like, all get along and stuff... would you like some tea?" when there's some asshole screaming at the top of his lungs. And it is hard to get people to leave the house to go out and shout "LET'S ALL BE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD NOW! I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND! WE"RE NOT GOING TO MAKE YOU OR ANYTHING, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE!"Aught3 said:
ImprobableJoe said:
there are moderates who feel offended by such extremists, the trick is to point them out how dangerous these extremist are to them and why they should join the fight with us. remember the riots in Holland when fitna was released?..... that's right, there were none.
it also took quite some time between the posting of the danish cartoons and the actual riots in denmark.
our first priority is to expose the dangers of religion, the the point that it sickens people that they want change.
Then religion will lose its power slowly, but surely. religion will fight back, but his methods can be used against them.
if i were geert wilders i would use that video of those muslims protesting as an example how dangerous these people are.