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Down The Rabbit Hole

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ImprobableJoe said:
Did you read the other posts in this thread? They contain your answer.

sadly, it doesn't. Only things I've noticed are some things like:

1)people want to believe this kinds of things

2)they fail at some facts/terms

3)the animations are terrible

this is not kind of argumentation one would expect on LoR. Now if you really have some real reasons to think that all this is just a lie, then i want to hear them. I'm not challenging anyone, i'm just curious.
 
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Spooky said:
sadly, it doesn't. Only things I've noticed are some things like:

1)people want to believe this kinds of things

2)they fail at some facts/terms

3)the animations are terrible

this is not kind of argumentation one would expect on LoR. Now if you really have some real reasons to think that all this is just a lie, then i want to hear them. I'm not challenging anyone, i'm just curious.
You're kidding, right? The very first reply had a link to a detailed description of why the movie is a disaster. The second point explains the source of the film: a con artist who pretends to channel the spirit of a warrior from a "lost continent" that never existed.

When you read the information at the link, and do some reading on J.Z. Knight, I'm sure your questions will be answered.

As for the rest... this is a long-debunked load of bullshit. When people ask about it, we tend to be a little short about it because it is so damned old to hear about it... and I don't want to encourage laziness. Google is your friend, go use it! :D
 
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trolling has nothing to do with it.

and yeah i was being lazy myself, the reading on the first link was Huge, i've read just a little part of it. I'll read them and answer back... not anytime soon i presume.
 
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Spooky said:
trolling has nothing to do with it.

and yeah i was being lazy myself, the reading on the first link was Huge, i've read just a little part of it. I'll read them and answer back... not anytime soon i presume.
Take your time reading, and in the meanwhile don't pretend that it is our fault that's you're lazy. ;) It is some good reading, if you enjoy lying shit-weasels getting caught at it. :lol:
 
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I actually had to watch this in my Philosophy class my first year in college. The professor loved the movie, and seemed to be in love with idea of the movie. I didn't notice anything incredibly wrong with the actual facts, it's just some of the interpretations they used to explain the facts is a bit off... One of the claims I remember was that the Native Americans couldn't see the boats of the arriving pilgrim's, and this becomes evidence in their claim that reality doesn't exist until we experience it( or something along those lines, I stopped paying a great deal of attention when they started trying to apply quantum mechanics to everything that goes on in every day life), and the claim that our thoughts are directly influencing( as in changing, building, controlling, The Secret) reality, because when you draw certain Japanese characters on bottles of water the structure is changed.

I don't know much about quantum mechanics, but what I do know, the specifics they claim about it don't sound too outlandish, the problem I have always had with it is the extent they take it; always seemed to me that they were doing what the "Physics of Superheroes" was doing, but actually trying to make it serious, like the people who claim psychic powers are possible because quantum events are somewhat odd, and the particles being able to seemingly 'jump through space' instantly allows things like telekinesis.
 
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Cyrathil said:
I actually had to watch this in my Philosophy class my first year in college. The professor loved the movie, and seemed to be in love with idea of the movie. I didn't notice anything incredibly wrong with the actual facts, it's just some of the interpretations they used to explain the facts is a bit off... One of the claims I remember was that the Native Americans couldn't see the boats of the arriving pilgrim's, and this becomes evidence in their claim that reality doesn't exist until we experience it( or something along those lines, I stopped paying a great deal of attention when they started trying to apply quantum mechanics to everything that goes on in every day life), and the claim that our thoughts are directly influencing( as in changing, building, controlling, The Secret) reality, because when you draw certain Japanese characters on bottles of water the structure is changed.

I don't know much about quantum mechanics, but what I do know, the specifics they claim about it don't sound too outlandish, the problem I have always had with it is the extent they take it; always seemed to me that they were doing what the "Physics of Superheroes" was doing, but actually trying to make it serious, like the people who claim psychic powers are possible because quantum events are somewhat odd, and the particles being able to seemingly 'jump through space' instantly allows things like telekinesis.
I'm sorry you were subjected to that.

That whole "natives can't see the boats because they are new" nonsense is seriously stupid, and a bit racist as well. It suggests that no one, especially not "natives", can ever learn anything new because we can't see new things. That's pure nonsense, and rather stupid nonsense.You know as well as I do that drawing a symbol on a bottle doesn't change water, which is always and only Dihydrogen Monoxide, and never anything else.

The problem with the "extent they take it" with quantum mechanics is that quantum physics simply doesn't "scale up" to the macroscopic universe. The behavior of individual subatomic particles has nothing to do with the behavior of objects at the scale at which life is lives. A single particle might behave randomly and strangely, but there's no evidence that enough particles will behave strangely in the exact same non-random way that something like telepathy is possible.
 
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ImprobableJoe said:
I'm sorry you were subjected to that

It was an easy, if not a bit boring, class. I got out of it with an A, and there were some interesting discussions, like how I'm apparently a hypocrite, or a "closet-believer" for using the words "hell" and "damn", when I don't believe in a deity. I'm still trying to figure out how they got to that.
ImprobableJoe said:
That whole "natives can't see the boats because they are new" nonsense is seriously stupid

There may be something to it, but it's completely different from what they say it is, if it is.

The natives might not have really noticed them until they saw the waves on the beach, but it isn't evidence for the fact that we create reality, it's most likely the fact that in an environment I'm used to I'm not going to be paying attention to all the minute details which aren't particularly threatening( how wrong they were...) and will probably miss a boat on the horizon.

There was actually something that happened that day which demonstrated it pretty well I think; my grandparents had left me something for some reason, and I had walked by it, gotten something which was literally right next to it and I was completely shocked when my grandparents told me about it that night and I went to go look for it. They weren't expecting a small fleet of Spanish boats, and so it was easy for them to overlook it. We often forget how much our brains interpret our daily lives before we're ever even "aware" of what we saw, and that sometimes editing occurs.

This is all assuming of course, that it actually happened, and wasn't just fabricated, or stretched, which again( I was a psychology major at the time) is something which happens without our knowing it. Eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable. Which brings to mind the question( I've never actually really cared much about the testimony) where did the testimony come from? Did the explorers ask the natives if they saw them coming? Why?

There may be an actual natural event( the Uncertainty, and a shit load of other things which I can't even begin to comment on because I'm not even sure it's right...), which they are using to justify their crazy beliefs, ignoring all other possibilities in the process, and in a good number of cases blatantly ignoring pieces of it so that it can fit their mold.


ImprobableJoe said:
The problem with the "extent they take it" with quantum mechanics is that quantum physics simply doesn't "scale up" to the macroscopic universe.
That's what I was trying to say, but you said it much better than I could have.
 
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there were some interesting discussions, like how I'm apparently a hypocrite, or a "closet-believer" for using the words "hell" and "damn", when I don't believe in a deity. I'm still trying to figure out how they got to that.
Whenever people say that, my response is that people who say "By Jove!" don't really believe in Jupiter, so why do I suddenly believe in God just for saying "Oh my God" or "fucking hell"?
 
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