Down The Rabbit Hole

[MachineSp1rit]

okay i think this documentary is pretty famous and interesting. It talks mostly about quantum physics and next step of understanding the universe, a bit of religion, advices about way of life and else.

your thoughts?



ediT: heres the tube link for the first part, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSk51Lp-vHU&feature=PlayList&p=13869294D96C9FDB&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

 

[Penguin_Factory]

:roll:

"What The Bleep Do We Know" is indeed a valid question that the people responsible for this should be asking themselves. Needless to say, the central premise of the movie is just another example of mew age mysticism mis-using quantum physics. Worse than that, actual scientists were mis-represented to make it look as if they support views they don't and the film apparently has connections to a new-age cult. This blog post explains things in more depth.

I've read about the claims made in this film before, but this is the first time I've actually sat down and watched it. The cinematography and presentation were worse then Expelled, which is quite an achievement. Jesus Christ, that black and white bit narrated by (as far as I can tell) the guy from the Powerpuff Girls was excruciating.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

What's "interesting" is that it is a complete and utter load of crap, created by a new age cult to legitimize the ravings of Judith Darlene Hampton, who has renamed herself "J.Z. Knight" and claims to be channeling the 35,000 year old spirit of "Ramtha" who fought for the Lemurian army against Atlantis.

There's absolutely no reason to take any of it seriously. Most of it is outright wrong, and much of it is deeply dishonest.

 

[MachineSp1rit]

=/ damn u guys broke my mood.

i'll read it later.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

I have known this to be a sham for long ago. I still believe that this series were a promotional series to make people in the right gulable mindset for the series "The Secret". The tematic and intervening people are suspiciously identical.

 

[Th1sWasATriumph]

I remember first reading about this.

It's horseshit, frankly.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

I saw the first part of it and it seems that they have no clue what science is. Random Mutation? Random Selection? Bleak Story? Sounds like these idiots have no idea what they are talking about, However I will watch it all and give a more informed aspect to the film.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

I saw the first part of it and it seems that they have no clue what science is. Random Mutation? Random Selection? Bleak Story? Sounds like these idiots have no idea what they are talking about, However I will watch it all and give a more informed aspect to the film.

It is just like those "Zeitgeist" movies you love so much!

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

It is just like those "Zeitgeist" movies you love so much!

No it's not. This film seems to be talking about Quantum Mechanics which I have already known a lot about the subject and what is being found. They seem to be stating that our perception of reality is what shapes our reality. And they are right to an extent. Our perspective up until the World within the World was established and how they eventually figured out that each Atom contains a whole universe deep within the nucleus and how they have discovered alternate universes and realities. Qauntum physics is some really weird shit if you get into it.

This is more along the lines of the most weird shit science can discover. But the way they talk about it is half giberish half truth with a spec of imagination (or lies not sure which).

This and Zeitgeist are two totally different aspects and subjects.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

No it's not. This film seems to be talking about Quantum Mechanics which I have already known a lot about the subject and what is being found. They seem to be stating that our perception of reality is what shapes our reality. And they are right to an extent. Our perspective up until the World within the World was established and how they eventually figured out that each Atom contains a whole universe deep within the nucleus and how they have discovered alternate universes and realities. Qauntum physics is some really weird shit if you get into it.

This is more along the lines of the most weird shit science can discover. But the way they talk about it is half giberish half truth with a spec of imagination (or lies not sure which).

This and Zeitgeist are two totally different aspects and subjects.

Seems pretty much identical to me, in execution and intent.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Seems pretty much identical to me, in execution and intent.

If their is some kind of Movement behind this film I would like to actually see what their thoughts before giving my judgment upon them.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

If their is some kind of Movement behind this film I would like to actually see what their thoughts before giving my judgment upon them.

It is all about the cults for you, isn't it?

You should be judging them on the facts... and they fail on the facts. It doesn't matter what the "movement" is, if they are lying to you then you need to face the fact.

Maybe you should have read this thread, BTW, because I already posted what cult produced this stupidity: the cult of Ramtha, the 30,000 year old Lemurian warrior channeled by J.Z. Knight, who is a giant con artist, kind of like the people behind "Zeitgeist" are con artists.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

It is all about the cults for you, isn't it?

You should be judging them on the facts... and they fail on the facts. It doesn't matter what the "movement" is, if they are lying to you then you need to face the fact.

Maybe you should have read this thread, BTW, because I already posted what cult produced this stupidity: the cult of Ramtha, the 30,000 year old Lemurian warrior channeled by J.Z. Knight, who is a giant con artist, kind of like the people behind "Zeitgeist" are con artists.

I actually read about that and in truth; it really doesn't seem to add up for what you told me. I follow the occult very closely and I never seen anything remotely similar to what is presented in this film.

And in reality; everyone I have heard that refutes the first part of the film and every time they always bring up the idea that Jesus existed as a messiah, that the world wide genesis flood was real, that Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles and rose from the dead and supply the old bunked argument like the forged document like Josephus which was an admitted forgery. They are also internally inconsistent with what the term virgin birth means and the entire story of what they give towards Horus and the other gods without covering all of the sects along what the meaning of resurrection.

So far I have yet to see a single person that doesn't Jesus existed and rose into heaven and propose bullshit things like the Genesis flood as actual proof of it's existence by proposing not evidence, but inconsistent arguments with no facts to back it up. So until I see someone who refutes Zeitgeist part 1 with actual consistent arguments and truth and do not propagate the old argument of that Jesus existed and the whole biblical account of his life I will view the debunking of Zeitgeist Part 1 as people trying to grab at straws.

Also those that try to debunk Zeitgeist 2 usually get most of their information from sources already admitted to lying and forging papers publicly such as NIST.

I have yet to see a single person (except for the site you showed me) that refutes part 3 without lying through their teeth. I talked with a lot of people that were alive during those times and everyone seems to confirm all of what Zeitgeist on the part 3 states. The RFID chip does exist and they did fail to present the RealID act, but the whole thing with plugging into a satellite and having all of our rights remove sounds a little extreme but not out of the realm of impossibility. However, people being conned into accepting to be microchipped and having that kind of probable outcome does sound probably (given the nature of the technology and what it will be implemented.)

The advise I always give is to never underestimate outlandish claim cause they may very well be true (except the ones about Free Masonry and the Illuminati and Aliens, those are crazy).

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Give a story enough spin and there will be people believing it. Zeitgeist is no different. People are prone to believe in sensationalist stories, it makes them feel that there is something happening in the world, it gives them a cause, it gives them the illusion that the bad things that happen have some sort of control and someone to blame.
The matter of fact is Zeitgeist is a load of bullocks.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

Give a story enough spin and there will be people believing it. Zeitgeist is no different. People are prone to believe in sensationalist stories, it makes them feel that there is something happening in the world, it gives them a cause, it gives them the illusion that the bad things that happen have some sort of control and someone to blame.
The matter of fact is Zeitgeist is a load of bullocks.

Well true but most of the people I have seen who refute Zeitgeist are just as inconsistent as people claim the film is. However, historically their have been conspiracies for scape goats and world domination before. Nero for example burned Rome to create a scapegoat towards the Christians to get people's mind off of how the Empire was falling apart. The Illuminati (a real orginization but one that killed itself because of greed and lust for power) set forth plans to dominate the world by setting religion as the enemy. The Philosophy has been adopted by other religions before the inception (kill and burn blasphemers and descenders was one of the huge thing going on in the Dark Ages and the Crusades; and also burning any kind of literature that would give more glimpses of what was going on. Even Flavious Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews was burned and their is no earlier reference to the O bleak reference as they were all burned... christian pyromaniacs disgust me).

So to say that their isn't a conspiracy among religions to try to enslave others is not totally far fetched as their dogma (and most other dogma texts) endorse slavery, burning descenders, killing and raping women and children. Also the whole creationists trying to drag this country back to the Dark Ages is something I would rather not have. So their is a conspiracy of sorts going on with religion but the question is; does it go to the extent Zeitgeist puts it?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Give a story enough spin and there will be people believing it. Zeitgeist is no different. People are prone to believe in sensationalist stories, it makes them feel that there is something happening in the world, it gives them a cause, it gives them the illusion that the bad things that happen have some sort of control and someone to blame.
The matter of fact is Zeitgeist is a load of bullocks.

It also makes them feel important and special without having to ever do anything or learn anything in particular.

 

[lightbulbsun88]

I thought "Down The Rabbit Hole" was "What The Bleep Do We Know?!?!" Are they actually two separate movies? Anyways, I've seen the part of this movie before where the guy in the white lab coat tries to educate us on the Double Slit Experiment. You can tell how excited he got when he got to the observer somehow affecting the results. Someone actually played this clip for me when arguing for quantum thought. What a load of bull.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

I thought "Down The Rabbit Hole" was "What The Bleep Do We Know?!?!"

One is the title the other is the subtitle (not by this order).

 

[Spooky]

Why exactly do you think the concept of the movie is bullshit?

 

[ImprobableJoe]

Why exactly do you think the concept of the movie is bullshit?

Did you read the other posts in this thread? They contain your answer.