Door2Door science education.

[Durakken]

Rational thinking has been greatly helped by the invention of the net and youtube, but there are still problems with getting the info out there as people who do not question almost certainly won't go look for the information and those that are interested face the problem of where to begin.

Further, lectures are usually for those who go to college, but what if people just don't want to pursue science as a job? They don't want to pay for something they don't need for their job and good free lectures are hard to find from what I know.

Do you think that it would be a good idea to organize lectures and going door to door to try to help get more scientific knowledge out there, or do you think that it would be misconstrued too much as preaching and be harmful?

I think the educated really need to get out there and make science even more accessible to the masses. You can't take a class cuz you can't get somewhere or can't pay for it don't want to? Ok, We'll come help you learn it.

 

[enterman]

Has a Mormon coming to your door ever made you rethink your whole life? Now yes, this would be different but, a large majority of people would see it in a very similar light and condone it like they condone the door to door Mormon. Now if someone say wanted you to come to their house to teach them, that's entirely different.

 

[Sando]

No, not at all. You shouldn't disturb another person in their human at any time. If they haven't asked you to come or you're not a friend you shouldn't go there for any reason.

Education is extremely important, and after the kids leave school they should at least have a bit of an interest in learning and have some curiousity which should lead them into studying things on their own.

 

[Durakken]

No, not at all. You shouldn't disturb another person in their human at any time. If they haven't asked you to come or you're not a friend you shouldn't go there for any reason.

Education is extremely important, and after the kids leave school they should at least have a bit of an interest in learning and have some curiousity which should lead them into studying things on their own.

I try not to disturb people while they're in their human, but it is so very hard... People tend to be in their human a lot.



I think a lot of the problem with the Mormons and Jehova witnesses is more on how they come off. They start off "Have you heard about Jesus?" And that really just makes you want to hit them... Interestingly enough my parents are both somehow? They were baptized in both churches and have both sets come over... I once thought it would be funny to have them come over at the same time

 

[Sando]

I try not to disturb people while they're in their human, but it is so very hard... People tend to be in their human a lot.



I think a lot of the problem with the Mormons and Jehova witnesses is more on how they come off. They start off "Have you heard about Jesus?" And that really just makes you want to hit them... Interestingly enough my parents are both somehow? They were baptized in both churches and have both sets come over... I once thought it would be funny to have them come over at the same time

You have both Mormon and JW parents? Wow... here they aren't allowed to marry outside of their church.

I don't just think it's how they come off though. It's the mere idea of them trying to push their ideas on me that irritates me... although I actually enjoy arguing with them. I don't really care if they are selling vacuum cleaners or fairy tales; They have no right to come knocking on my door.

 

[Netheralian]

Reminds me of John Safran and the Door to Door Atheist...

edit: I don't think that worked so I will just post the link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dW-bt_1LzY

 

[Personal SinR]

We live in a common marketplace of ideas. Like all ideas, you have to sell them. Make them interesting. As it stands, most kids in school are not compelled to learn. The texts are boring and read like encyclopedias. Teachers more often than naught make terrible entertainers or performers and lose interest of their students (who are more concerned with their budding social lives.)

Unless science and logic and math and all that great stuff can be presented in an interesting way (and don't get me wrong, it is very interesting) nobody will care.

People like Carl Sagan, Bill Nye, Neil Degrasse-Tyson had the right idea. I don't really agree with how they did it, but it was a huge leap in the right direction. Please don't misunderstand me though, I am against ultra sensationalizing it to the point where you drown out the real science like much of the media does when reporting on current events in science. The general media is way too tabloidy about that and I think, while it draws attention, it often misinforms the public and perverts the facts.

 

[Durakken]

You have both Mormon and JW parents? Wow... here they aren't allowed to marry outside of their church.

I don't just think it's how they come off though. It's the mere idea of them trying to push their ideas on me that irritates me... although I actually enjoy arguing with them. I don't really care if they are selling vacuum cleaners or fairy tales; They have no right to come knocking on my door.

Not exactly...

They both were catholic(i think)...they both got baptized JW and then they both got baptized Mormon and they, or at least my dad does, talk with both of them...

It's really odd lol.


Also While I don't like the idea of door to door salesman you have to admit it works to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

 

[Sando]

Not exactly...

They both were catholic(i think)...they both got baptized JW and then they both got baptized Mormon and they, or at least my dad does, talk with both of them...

It's really odd lol.


Also While I don't like the idea of door to door salesman you have to admit it works to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

Oh, alright. I agree that it's working... but we don't really have any such agenda, now do we? There's no reason to go out like that and get people to deconvert just for the sake of it, although it's a whole different thing when someone brings it up to begin with. At least I don't see it that way.

 

[Durakken]

Who said anything about deconvert? The point is to try to get them to understand what science says and how it works and why it is held as true.

#1 you get a captive audience
#2 If you don't go in with prejudice against religion, you help them accept
#3 You are providing them a way of learning that doesn't clash with their objectives of getting through school or getting a job

That fact is some people, unless you go and be at least a little invasive will never look into the sciences and with the way at least the USA's educational system is there is no way you will ever get people interested in the sciences or at least understanding them.

Not only that but if you look at it from the point of view of organization seen from the common person people of religion have these discussions and such plotted out and talk about links to life. In school this is never done. How much more interesting would you find the Cartesion coordinate system if you knew it was the same guy that came up with Cogito ergo sum, or what about the pythagorian theory was based on 10 simply because Pythagorus thought 10 was the answer to all things, or Aristotle who as far as we know established empirical thought is the same guy who most of the middle-eastern world is informed by and was the one who came up with the geocentric and unmoved mover theories.

It adds layer and depth which students just don't get and I think that if we could put together discussions and take them into a household where we are more able to discuss these things to the maximum we could generate a group of people with more knowledge and thus more likely to challenge their preconcieved notions.

Maybe door to door is not all that great but marketing and making science more readily available to be understood is needed if we are ever going to get anywhere. Thats part of the reason why the internet has been so useful, but it is only useful if someone goes looking for it.

 

[PJDesseyn]

Don't go from door to door to talk. Organise a lecture about science, somewhere at some time, make flyers and then go from door to door to put the flyers in their mailboxes. They can then watch it whenever they want, they can tear it apart without confronting the distributors or they can come to the lecture if they so please.

Whatever you do, don't preach at the door.

 

[GoodKat]

This is one of the main thing that JW's get ridiculed for, I think it's a bad idea.

 

[Durakken]

The real question is more the direction of conversations and how exactly would be best to direct them more so than it is the question whether or not to go door to door... though though that would be a matter of what would be the best setting to get across what science is all about.

 

[Fordi]

"Hi! My name's [Fordi]. Would you like to talk about science?"

"Well, this is new. I suppose the masturbation thing isn't going to make you go away."

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"Hi! My name's [Fordi]. Would you like to talk about science?"

"Sure! Let me tell you about how the WTC really collapsed!"

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"Hi! My name's [Fordi]. Would you like to talk about science?"

"No. Fuck off."

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Somehow I don't see this going well.

 

[lightbulbsun88]

You can't force education onto someone. This is a bad idea.

 

[darthrender2010]

You can't force education onto someone. This is a bad idea.

I agree, this is partly the same reason public schools are failing in America. Good intent, bad idea. Maybe dvds or something which you can pass around, possibly leaving it on door steps or something like that.

 

[Durakken]

Not saying to force, but rather provide a way for people to get the information in an interesting way and in a way that is readily available. Also in a way for people to express and discuss what they have just heard. You can read and listen to all the stuff you want. For the most part it's useless because the person on the listening side isn't getting immediate feedback from their expression. I'll admit that it's better than nothing but for a large part of it it is a waiting game where one side ca just stop listening all together where as in person discussion they may get stubborn but as long as they're in the room you can still speak with them and have some of it pass the into the brain.

 

[lightbulbsun88]

Not saying to force, but rather provide a way for people to get the information in an interesting way and in a way that is readily available. Also in a way for people to express and discuss what they have just heard. You can read and listen to all the stuff you want. For the most part it's useless because the person on the listening side isn't getting immediate feedback from their expression. I'll admit that it's better than nothing but for a large part of it it is a waiting game where one side ca just stop listening all together where as in person discussion they may get stubborn but as long as they're in the room you can still speak with them and have some of it pass the into the brain.

If someone is very willing to learn they will find a place to get their questions answered. They just wouldn't give up so easily.

 

[Durakken]

And some people just never get the fired lit under them to seek the answers.

 

[PJDesseyn]

Found out who the Jehovah Witnesses are and come knocking on their door on Sunday around 3 in the morning, before they get up to annoy others.