Master_Ghost_Knight
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So I hear many people ask question or making claims of the sort "christianity is true" or "what is your evidence for the truth of atheism?", which to me sounds completely wrong and comprehensible. Don't get me wrong, I understand perfectly well what do you mean when you state "christianity is true", I don't need anyone to explain it to mean what people mean when they say that, my issue is either or not the sentence is correctly formed.
So onwards with my objection.
When I hear the phrase "christianity is true" I mentally deconstruct it into "christianity" (what is being affected) and "is true" (how is it being affected), and during the process I try to pinpoint what those things reference. I.e. What is "christianity"? and What is "is true"?
Well "christianity" is a specific belief system regarding the divine nature of the figure of Christ. And true we all understand what that means so I will skip it.
So when I put back the phrase with its meaning, this is sort of how it sounds like in my head:
"The specific belief system regarding the divine nature of Christ is true"
But now what exactly do you mean? The "specific belief system regarding the divine nature of Christ" does exist and it doesn't make sense to ask if it is true or false, however the specific statements that are believed may or may not be true. Even tough what we mean is the later what it sounds like is the former.
On my previous conversation, Darkprophet232 stated:
The first form of Evolution meaning the statement that "the variety of life forms on earth is caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms".
The second form of Evolution, generally referred to the "Theory of Evolution" means the "collection of knowledge and theoretical/abstract concepts related to the study of the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms".
While I don't see an issue in asking "Is evolution true?" in the first sense (i.e. "Is the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms true?")
But I take issue when you ask "Is Evolution true?" in the second sense (or "Is the theory of Evolution true?"), because I perceive it to be malformed. (i.e. "Is the collection of knowledge and theoretical/abstract concepts related to the study of the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms true?")
So I hope my initial issue with it is made more clear.
It maybe nitpicking because in the end of the day I understand what you mean, but I'm afraid that when trying to openly discuss this topic and that when this sort of malformed questions are made, people (generally creationist) don't realize that this things are not a specific statement but rather a collection of things that sort of misses the point what exactly you want to know.
So onwards with my objection.
When I hear the phrase "christianity is true" I mentally deconstruct it into "christianity" (what is being affected) and "is true" (how is it being affected), and during the process I try to pinpoint what those things reference. I.e. What is "christianity"? and What is "is true"?
Well "christianity" is a specific belief system regarding the divine nature of the figure of Christ. And true we all understand what that means so I will skip it.
So when I put back the phrase with its meaning, this is sort of how it sounds like in my head:
"The specific belief system regarding the divine nature of Christ is true"
But now what exactly do you mean? The "specific belief system regarding the divine nature of Christ" does exist and it doesn't make sense to ask if it is true or false, however the specific statements that are believed may or may not be true. Even tough what we mean is the later what it sounds like is the former.
On my previous conversation, Darkprophet232 stated:
Which I don't think that there is a good comparison, because the word evolution when used in discussion generally has more than one meaning.Darkprophet232 said:I were to say "Evolution is true," you would instantly know that I am saying that the theory and fact of evolution are evidenced and demonstrable.
The first form of Evolution meaning the statement that "the variety of life forms on earth is caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms".
The second form of Evolution, generally referred to the "Theory of Evolution" means the "collection of knowledge and theoretical/abstract concepts related to the study of the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms".
While I don't see an issue in asking "Is evolution true?" in the first sense (i.e. "Is the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms true?")
But I take issue when you ask "Is Evolution true?" in the second sense (or "Is the theory of Evolution true?"), because I perceive it to be malformed. (i.e. "Is the collection of knowledge and theoretical/abstract concepts related to the study of the variety of life forms on earth caused by changes in hereditary traits on populations of organisms true?")
So I hope my initial issue with it is made more clear.
It maybe nitpicking because in the end of the day I understand what you mean, but I'm afraid that when trying to openly discuss this topic and that when this sort of malformed questions are made, people (generally creationist) don't realize that this things are not a specific statement but rather a collection of things that sort of misses the point what exactly you want to know.