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Do You Favor Supporting a PAC or Possibly a Party?

Kirkaiya

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First - I'm glad someone created this forum. Over the past decade, I've often had the idea of creating a web-forum for "rationalists" (or a "Society of the Sane" as I like to think of it), and the "League of Reason" just rolls off the tongue ;-)

Anyway - another thing I've often thought about is the lack of any organized political party or (until GAMPAC, which seems to have morphed into EnlightenTheVote.com) political action committee that explicitly represents the desire by many atheists (or P.E.A.R.L.s, as thunderf00t says!) for the governments to use reason and science to guide public policy, rather than superstition, astrologers (see: "Reagan") and religious principles in general.

It would seem that organizing a group that is usually defined by its lack of belonging to any organized religion would be swimming uphill. But - in the past decade, we've gone from just the American Humanist Society plus a few very small, local groups (at least, in the U.S.) to some pretty large, well-organized groups. The internet has been instrumental in this, obviously.

So - I'm wondering whether people would ever be interested in a "transnational political party" whose core platform would be separating government from religious superstition, and pursuing policies based on scientific evidence, reason, and rationality. I'm sure that others can come up with a more fleshed-out set of ideas than I can. I say "trans-national" because (a) secular people are spread across the globe and often discriminated against in multiple countries, and (b) the recent Euro-area elections demonstrate that transnational parties are feasible.

At least in America, trying to run a non-Christian for national office would be a non-starter. There's a single openly-secular Congressmen in the House (from California). But, much like the Greens, and other small parties, a "Party of Reason" could support candidates who acknowledge atheists' concerns, who use science and reason to guide their political views rather than constantly invoking Jesus or any other deity. Personally, I was happy when Barack Obama said that America is a nation of Christians, Jews, and non-believers (although I'm not a big fan of "non-believer" as a label... but it beat the pants off having Bush preach to us).

So anyway - given that in the U.S., freethinkers, rationalists/humanists, etc, make up some 11 - 15% of the population, and undoubtedly more in Europe and Asia - is creating some kind of party possible? Or should we stick with trying to support national PACs or activist groups for now, thus channeling money, support and activism to candidates via those channels?

Thanks!
 
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I suppose it all depends on the policies and ideology of said party. Cause "pursuing policies based on scientific evidence, reason, and rationality" is not exactly very concise now is it?
 
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Homunclus said:
I suppose it all depends on the policies and ideology of said party. Cause "pursuing policies based on scientific evidence, reason, and rationality" is not exactly very concise now is it?

I'd like to see a progressive evidence based political party; however, Homunclus pretty much hit the nail on the head. The goals and stances of this organization need to be more deeply defined.
 
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The modern Whig party in the US (Really just Whig, I use modern to separate it from the older whigs), actually has scientific progress as one of its platform ledges.

The modern Whigs started as an veteran rights organization by Mike Lebowitz, a veterans rights attorney. They are the current syncratic (centrist) party of the US still a third party, but considered the fastest growing in the US.
If you are curious Their homepage. There isn't a lot about what they actually believe yet, but I have hopes for at least one major US party to not have a religious wing.

Ok now I am disappointed as they have apparently expanded their view points and want to 'privatize' space.
 
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Aluman said:
The modern Whig party in the US (Really just Whig, I use modern to separate it from the older whigs), actually has scientific progress as one of its platform ledges.

The modern Whigs started as an veteran rights organization by Mike Lebowitz, a veterans rights attorney. They are the current syncratic (centrist) party of the US still a third party, but considered the fastest growing in the US.
If you are curious Their homepage. There isn't a lot about what they actually believe yet, but I have hopes for at least one major US party to not have a religious wing.

Ok now I am disappointed as they have apparently expanded their view points and want to 'privatize' space.

How the hell can a government privatize space?!? America were not the first into space, and the state that was no longer exists.

I would be extatic if a strong US party were to emerge that didn't have links to religion, but frankly I'd really have to question the competency of any would be government wishing to privatise something that they don't own.
 
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Homunclus said:
I suppose it all depends on the policies and ideology of said party. Cause "pursuing policies based on scientific evidence, reason, and rationality" is not exactly very concise now is it?

Perhaps more importantly is that there are issues that do not depend on "reason" alone: e.g. abortion, which school of economics is right, etc.
 
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I don't know if that's a workable solution. You're never going to get atheists to agree on public policy. Would you want your Iraq War policy written by Hitchens for instance? A P.A.C. that supports scientific advancements and exposes religion infiltrating government might be good, but we already have seperate P.A.C.'s for those in America, namely the American Civil Liberties Union, of which I am a proud member, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Council for the Advancement of Science. In fact there are numerous organizations in the U.S. devoted solely to the advancement of science and science education.

I would prefer not to have an atheist party, becuase that would just be one more reason for the theists to say we're a dogmatic agenda driven group akin to a religion. When the fact is, there are liberal and conservative atheists, whose only shared feature is disbelief in superstition.
 
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