DMT

[Dockar03]

Hey guys, haven't posted here in ages Sorry.
So I consider myself to be fairly spiritual (that may just be me being naive), and occasionally I will smoke weed (I know it's bad but I enjoy the outer-body feelings). Bottom line is, as irresponsible as it is, I am considering doing DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) for spiritual purposes. Now I'm an atheist but I'd say the way I see the universe is almost pantheistic, hence why I want to do DMT.

I've done a small amount of research, and from what I can gather, the drug is fairly harmless; now if I'm wrong PLEASE tell me. Now to my question!
Has anyone here done DMT? If yes what was your experience with it?

Thanks everyone,

 

[Case]

The indolealkylamine class of hallucinogens (LSD, DMT, psilocybin) apparently acts as a potent 5HT2A agonist (among other things), so technically... it's the opposite of an (atypical) antipsychotic! If it weren't for the numerous other effects and interactions. I don't think I'd start with DMT, probably psilocybin or mescalin first, they're less potent. Then again you may want to trip before you build up a resistance (I read it can happen fairly quickly with hallucinogens). Haven't done any myself, but I'm considering it.

Edit: I wouldn't say they're harmless, but for healthy people with no other worries, it's relatively safe. Not THC-safe, but relatively safe. You might have the occasional flashback (hours to months later) though. If you're taking any other medication or drugs, I would advise you to not take any such drugs.

 

[Lallapalalable]

Tried it once. I wouldnt say it was a very spiritual experience, as it lasted not even 5 minutes (only took one hit), but if you're just looking for a fun hallucinogen this one is pretty potent, and if you have enough just take another hit after the first wears off, but damn this shit's expensive. From what I remember, a gap in the trees became a warp vortex and birds were falling from the sky, turning to cats and running away. Then it was over. Didnt quite have time to contemplate much, and frankly you may be better off with 2ci or something if you're looking for a longer experience. Anyway, it is fun, and if you can find it go for it.

EDIT (seems to be a thing here): If you have never done any sort of hallucinogen before, for the love of god be careful. The guy who had it asked if I had done anything before, and only after I said I had experimented with a few other substances did he give me the pipe. Also, I did only take the one hit, so if you have a stash and decide to make a night of this, well, again be careful.

 

[Dockar03]

Thanks for the tips!
From some stories that I've heard, I was told that the 5 minutes or so the trip lasts can sometimes seem for an eternity? Not too sure what to think of that.
Besides that I'm fairly healthy and hit the gym 5 times a week and am on no medication so I think I should be fine. Regardless I'll take your advice and try lighter hallucinogens first.

Thanks.

 

[Lallapalalable]

Wait nonononononono sorry dont take 2ci; there was recently a lab mixup with 2ce and some ods occurred. And its kinda strong too, so, I wouldnt, even though legally its your safest bet. Just try a hit or two of lsd, its all you need and youll know if you can handle the dmt.

 

[aeritano]

/me puts on his biochemistry coat

While i dont support people taking drugs or any kind (rehabilitated addict), its not my place to stop you but i do have some advice to keep you safe

if you feel that the hallucinations are getting too out of control, make sure to have a couple anti-depressants around

The LSD or DMT ups the levels of serotonin in your brain, and as a result, more serotonin is re-uptaked into the brain which causes the hallucinations.

Most anti-depressants are called SSRI or (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor), which means they block the reuptake of the serotonin, and thus cuts the effects that serotonin has on the brain.

just be careful on LSD or DMT, since it effects serotonin levels, there is a chance of serotonin storm.. which is lethal if immediate medical help is not reached.

As liek any other drug you are doing for the first time, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU TRUST WITH YOU! never try new drugs alone! someone needs to take care of you if something happens. like taking you to the hospital

so just remember
SSRI anti-depressant medication (Celexa, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft are the best ones) to control hallucinations if needed
A friend to take care of you
be responsible

/me takes off biochemistry coat and goes off to eat

 

[dazey00]

/me puts on his biochemistry coat

Most anti-depressants are called SSRI or (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor), which means they block the reuptake of the serotonin, and thus cuts the effects that serotonin has on the brain.

Careful now! The anti-depressants which are not SSRI are called MAOI (MAO inhibitors) as I understand it MAOs are enzymes which break substances in the body down and process them out. For instance, ayahuasca is an earth medicine which combines DMT containing plants with MAOI containing plants which stops the body's MAOs breaking down the DMT leading to an intense and massively prolonged trip.

DO NOT USE MAOIs TO HANDLE OUT-OF-CONTROL HALLUCINATIONS.

If necessary, just get pissed on strong liquor, most people know where they are with booze.

 

[Case]

/me puts on his biochemistry coat [...]
so just remember
SSRI anti-depressant medication (Celexa, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft are the best ones) to control hallucinations if needed
A friend to take care of you
be responsible

...and that is why a coat means nothing.

Do NOT take SSRIs (nor MAOIs, nor alcohol, nor any other drug for that matter) to "control hallucinations".

1) Fluoxetine (prozac) for instance as an allosteric SERT (serotonin transporter) inhibitor reduces serotonin binding to the REUPTAKE transporter. This INCREASES serotonin levels at the synapse. Also, the receptors that do get inhibited are 5HT2C receptors, not the 5HT2A receptors mainly enhanced by hallucinogens (5HT2C are also affected, but my literature says little about that hrhr). Furthermore, it increases norepinephrine and dopamine release so overall it seems like a bad idea. I'm not gonna check for every AP/AD since they work roughly the same.

2) Many psychotropic drugs are also an inhibitor of liver enzyme CYP450 3A4, which regulates bloodstream influx of several antipsychotics/antidepressants. I'm not sure about hallucinogens, but if they are also 3A4 inhibitors, this will increase the concentration of the AP/AD med you took in your bloodstream. Which is a bad idea. Fluoxetine also inhibits CYP 2D6, but I don't know if there's any relevant substrate of it among the listed substances.

That said, the trip will be over before you can 'regulate it' anyway (granted, unless you take an intramuscular shot of conventional APs). Taking antipsychotics/antidepressants while tripping would just be retarded.

While i dont support people taking drugs or any kind (rehabilitated addict)

You have a chance of roughly 0% to get addicted to hallucinogens, but I guess I understand where you're coming from.

 

[Dockar03]

Didn't think my biopsychology class would come in handy so quickly!
Thanks for that, point is I'm not doing DMT to "trip out" or just for the sake of tripping, I'm doing it because from what I've read and from what I've been told, which is that if you're in a longer than 5 minute trip it can be profoundly spiritual.

Anyway there is definitely no way I wouldn't use a spotter ( a friend to make sure everything is good), and there is definitely no way I would use another drug to regulate a bad trip, especially considering a DMT trip would rarely last more than 10 minutes I'd prefer my spotter force me to wait it out.

Cheers.

 

[Laurens]

As long as you know what you're doing, are in the right place, with someone to look after you then you should be okay.

Just remember though, even if you see weird elves and robot alien insects - it's just the brain on drugs, they weren't really there

 

[ArthurWilborn]

I have to admit I don't get this. This is like saying you're looking for ghosts by flipping the lights off and on and going "woooo" by yourself. Anything you see is not the result of an external spiritual force, it's the result of you breaking your own brain.

 

[Memeticemetic]

I have to admit I don't get this. This is like saying you're looking for ghosts by flipping the lights off and on and going "woooo" by yourself. Anything you see is not the result of an external spiritual force, it's the result of you breaking your own brain.

No, it's not remotely like that. Saying that an experience is spiritual is not the same as saying it is the result of an external spiritual force.

 

[Lallapalalable]

I have to admit I don't get this. This is like saying you're looking for ghosts by flipping the lights off and on and going "woooo" by yourself. Anything you see is not the result of an external spiritual force, it's the result of you breaking your own brain.

Yes, a lot of what happens during a 'trip' is purely the mind firing away with reduced inhibitions and the lack of the ability to distinguish reality from fantasy. However, in the day or two after the fact you can reflect on what you thought about, and sometimes you can find a gem of an idea or two that are just neat. I may be presumptuous here, but I think the OPer was refferring to spirituality in the self awareness aspect; getting you know yourself by seeing how you behave on a chemical that warps your perception of reality.

Oh, and low doses coupled with infrequent 'party nights' (my average is a little less than once a year) leaves no horrible long term effects. I know where you're coming from, but there is a difference between use and abuse!

 

[Case]

I've had one [1] major THC-trip (Santa Maria, hard to get hold of now) where I closed my eyes and watched my identity dissolve. I saw every constituent of it and knew I could reassemble it as I wished. I chose not to change a thing (questionable choice, in hindsight...) because I feared friends and family would be freaked out if "I" changed radically. That was, however, the most profound substance-induced experience I've ever had. Normally, THC only makes me feel warm and fluffy (and hungry). If I could get to that point again, I would. I wouldn't do such drugs for a 'spiritual' effect (feeling connected, one with the universe, etc.), though, as seeing my nephews/nieces in real life produces much stronger feelings of connectedness than does any drug.

 

[Dockar03]

I have to admit I don't get this. This is like saying you're looking for ghosts by flipping the lights off and on and going "woooo" by yourself. Anything you see is not the result of an external spiritual force, it's the result of you breaking your own brain.

You've misinterpreted what I've said, or do not quite understand the effect drugs play.
On an occasion that I had smoked weed I ended up realizing how completely insignificant I was when I looked at the night sky, countered with feeling overwhelmingly huge due to the fact that I am apart of the universe, looking at the universe; that kind of spiritual experience occurred for me when my brain was influenced by drugs, yes. But that epiphany spiritually changed me, it allowed me to realize how unimportant trivial things are, and what is really important. That is the spiritual experience I talk of; DMT from what I have heard can allow out of body experiences, I think that although it's my brain being but-raped, the experience and epiphanies will linger. You should watch inception, essentially its the same as dreaming, although dreams are bi-products of the brain, the things you learn can actually be applied in real life.

 

[kenandkids]

My advice is to:
a) Take Aeritano's advice.
b) Take psilocybin first, liberty caps are a personal fave. And by first, I don't mean just before the dmt, I mean as a way to gauge your personal reactions to the experience. Psilocybin is more of a body high, whereas dmt is more of a mind high. If psilocybin get's you very mentally high, then use less dmt when the time comes to try it out.

 

[Laurens]

I've not actually tried DMT, but I have had quite large doses of Salvia Divinorum which led to some bizarre experiences.

Initially I felt like I was rushing really fast on a roller coaster of some sort, then as I looked at the street lights in the distance I saw a spiralled orange tunnel covered in geometric patterns and eyes. Moments later I heard a voice saying 'turn off all the lights in the universe' to which I began to laugh hysterically exclaiming that I couldn't possibly do such a thing. Initially I thought it was my friend saying it, but he assured me that he didn't say anything, so I gathered from that that the voice was a hallucination.

Salvia might be worth trying (although of course I do not advocate the use of drugs ), because although I was completely tripping my nuts off it only lasted for about 5 minutes maximum and there isn't really any adverse effects once you come down. Don't have a massive hit like you would with weed to begin with, cause you might find yourself blasted into outer space, just try a small amount and see how it goes.