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Different types of listening (Accent or content?)

FaithlessThinker

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arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
Another topic that warrants a Psychology subforum...

I've been thinking about how different people listen to a speaker in different ways. I've been wanting to call it "subjective listening" and "objective listening" but apparently these terms mean something related to music according to Google. I'm not talking about music here.

For brevity, I'll call these two types as Type A (objective) and Type B (subjective). Forgive me if you find me beating around the bush in the following passages, but I want to make it clear.

Type A: This would be my preferred form of listening. When a speaker is delivering the message, what is most important is the content of the message itself, and not the accent of the speaker or the tone in which the message is delivered. Basically, who delivers the message doesn't really matter as much as what is in the message. He could be the guy next to you in the office, or the President. It doesn't really matter who he is, as much as it matters what he says. A Type A listener would understand this importance and would not be affected by the qualities of the speaker, but would be able to focus his listening on what the speaker says.

I wouldn't say a Type A listener would totally disregard the subjective part of listening such as accents and tone, but these would be placed on a lower importance compared to the objective part. Even if the speaker speaks in a different accent than the listener, or if he speaks in an accent that would normally be found as "funny" by the listener, he (the listener) is able to put these reactions aside and instead focus on what the speaker speaks about.

Type B: This is unfavorable to me, as it expects the speaker to be perfect and tends to reduce or ignore the importance of the qualities of the message itself. A Type B listener would tend to have a subjective view of the speaker, placing more importance upon him, his accent and tone than on the content itself. These kind of people can't help but laugh when that funny accent guy comes in the middle of an informative show (like on Discovery channel) and says something knowledgeable in an interview. They would also be affected by how their friends or family members communicate with them. It would make a lot more difference to a Type B person if a family member delivers a message in a angry tone rather than in a happy tone than it would for a Type A person.

When I think about it, this is in a way related to how religions work, because religious people tend to be Type B listeners, giving importance to who is delivering the message (messenger of god, priest, etc.) and not what the message itself is (thou shalt do some absurd thing).

What do you think of my hypothesis? Has any scientific studies been done about this or something similar? Contributions welcome.
 
arg-fallbackName="lrkun"/>
Content. But I'd like it if the speaker knows how to put stress on the right words. :)

Besides, I'm a person who loves to hear proper stress. (i listen to the syllables, it's like music to me, and I posted a topic on it a few days ago I think)



In the video Rowan Atkinson makes emphasis on certain words. :)
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1. http://www.englishclub.com/pronunciation/sentence-stress.htm
 
arg-fallbackName="Squawk"/>
Sounds good to me, I had an argument/debate with a couple of mates when it came to the charisma of politicians. In particular they were arguing that we need a prime minister with some presence, with charisma. I couldn't give a flying fuck if he has his head in a jar and speaks in monotone through a speaker system as long as what he says is valid.

Ok, to captivate and motivate people charisma is probably a good thing, but in the leader of a country I'll take substance over appearance every day thanks.
 
arg-fallbackName="Darkchilde"/>
I think that you need a mixture of both types. I find equally boring someone who has nothing to say and drones about repeating the same things over and over again just to make it through his speech as someone who has a lot to say, but does not know how to say it.

I remember I had a professor in a course called Operating Systems. Operating Systems is a very interesting subject for computer science. However, the professor spoke in a monotone voice which made people sleepy. Initially, I thought it was just me, but I had to wake a couple of people up before they totally fell asleep on the desk.

There are some people that you need to be able to follow when they speak. If they do not have even a small charisma, then nobody is going to listen to them, even if what they have to say is important.
 
arg-fallbackName="Squawk"/>
Darkchilde said:
I think that you need a mixture of both types. I find equally boring someone who has nothing to say and drones about repeating the same things over and over again just to make it through his speech as someone who has a lot to say, but does not know how to say it.

I remember I had a professor in a course called Operating Systems. Operating Systems is a very interesting subject for computer science. However, the professor spoke in a monotone voice which made people sleepy. Initially, I thought it was just me, but I had to wake a couple of people up before they totally fell asleep on the desk.

There are some people that you need to be able to follow when they speak. If they do not have even a small charisma, then nobody is going to listen to them, even if what they have to say is important.

Yeah that's true, it depends what the job is. I had one lecturer who said "erm" 466 times in a 40 minute lecture at Uni. The simple fact that I counted tells you how much I listened to what he had to say.
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
Darkchilde said:
I remember I had a professor in a course called Operating Systems. Operating Systems is a very interesting subject for computer science. However, the professor spoke in a monotone voice which made people sleepy. Initially, I thought it was just me, but I had to wake a couple of people up before they totally fell asleep on the desk.
Coincidentally, I have the exact same course, and my lecturer is monotonous as well. Very boring to sit in his lecture. Although I don't fall asleep, I have to really focus on what he's saying to listen to the lecture, or I'll just get lost in my own thoughts.
 
arg-fallbackName="Silvanesti"/>
Honestly, we're all guilty of being superficial when it comes to listening, or perfering one speaker/leader over another. We see it on YouTube all the time. If there are two videos, with the same message/information, the better made video is going to be more popular. There's a cliche regarding this too, when you say that you can learn everything you need to know about a person within the first 15 seconds.

We are going to judge someone based on their appearance first, I would go as far as to say that it's human nature, assessing someone visually before engaging them verbally. Remember Susan Boyle? or Paul Potts? If you don't follow th UK the reality show, where everyone goes up in front of judges and sings or something, I would actually recommend seeing the first audition for Paul Potts... you can actually see what the judges are thinking. Initially they're judging his appearance, he's a white middle aged male, with a bit too much around the middle... an average bloke. Not only do they judge his appearance but they also judge his employment as a cell phone salesman and they practically roll their eyes when they hear that he's going to sing. As soon as he opens his mouth he has this amazing operatic voice. His talent, or message, was so powerful that it couldn't be ignored. In cases like these, one has to work hard to change the assumptions made within those first 15 seconds.

Speaking to what you're referring to as Type B listening, I think that should he be in competition against someone who had a lesser talent, but was aesthetically more appealing the later would have won... typically. And I feel as you do that that is an injustice.

The reason for this may be because they don't listen very well, but I think it's more likely related to their own prejudices and personal biases. Again, I myself have done this... when I hear a southern American drawl, I assume that they're a redneck, and I have an image in my head of a front yard littered with rusty cars. Accurate? Probably not.

We all have our own biases, and I think it's important for people to become aware of them before judging what someone has to say. If I did come across someone who has a southern accent, I know that I should pay more attention, because I could be wrong. Then you can get into Active and Passive listening skills.

Regarding tone... I think it's very important to have proper tones when speaking, especially if you tend to be sarcastic. We've all had that e-mail, or text message when we're not sure how the sender meant what they said.

Anyway, long story short... actively listening to what's being said requires work and often people's own biases and prejudices get in the way... or they're simply too lazy and unwilling. But I do feel that it's important to have a mixture of both. If something is well stated, it makes understanding that much easier.


Given my inability to embed a video, here's the link for the Paul Potts thing I was talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZbMS2ONIYk
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
Silvanesti said:
Given my inability to embed a video, here's the link for the Paul Potts thing I was talking about.
It's very simple. Take the underlined part and use it like shown below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZbMS2ONIYk
Code:
[Youtube]wZbMS2ONIYk[/Youtube]
You get:

 
arg-fallbackName="obsidianavenger"/>
i doubt anyone would admit to prizing subjective listening over content even if they did do that... which i also doubt. much of listening for tone, accent, "charisma", etc goes on subconsciously... so these things effect us whether we're aware of them or not. you could believe you are making a judgement based purely on the content of a speech, but then have the same speech given by someone else and reach a slightly different conclusion. whether we want it to or not, nonverbal communication influences us.
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
obsidianavenger said:
i doubt anyone would admit to prizing subjective listening over content even if they did do that... which i also doubt. much of listening for tone, accent, "charisma", etc goes on subconsciously... so these things effect us whether we're aware of them or not. you could believe you are making a judgement based purely on the content of a speech, but then have the same speech given by someone else and reach a slightly different conclusion. whether we want it to or not, nonverbal communication influences us.
That's true.

And Silvanesti, I can't view that video:
This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
 
arg-fallbackName="MisterMudkip"/>
Squawk said:
Sounds good to me, I had an argument/debate with a couple of mates when it came to the charisma of politicians. In particular they were arguing that we need a prime minister with some presence, with charisma. I couldn't give a flying fuck if he has his head in a jar and speaks in monotone through a speaker system as long as what he says is valid.

Ok, to captivate and motivate people charisma is probably a good thing, but in the leader of a country I'll take substance over appearance every day thanks.

I agree. I remember reading that, correct me if I'm wrong btw, Thomas Jefferson was a terrible public speaker who stumbled constantly on his words and rarely gave speeches. If Thomas Jefferson were alive today, he would not get elected.

Substance over style any day for me.
 
arg-fallbackName="Giliell"/>
Sorry to spoil the fun, but from the perspective of communication theory and psychology, your type A listener is a type B listener in denial.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to fight against our biases when it comes to accent, dialect and appearance, but to think that there is (in most cases) an objective message that's delivered is an ilusion to begin with.

Google a bit the theories of Schulz von Thun or Paul Watzlawik (that may be misspelled, don't read the stuff about the aliens).
What a speaker intends to say and what the listener understands may be two totally different things and it's an arrogant and unfounded position to blame the listener for the entire problem (i.e. not being an objective listener)
Often there isn't even any "fault" involved, but rather different histories, personalities and cultures.
 
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