Different software to use other than skype for the LoR Show

[Joe8909]

As skype has issues where someone acts as a host and if the host has issues then it causes a breakdown of the entire show.

A better software to use would be teamspeak or ventrillo as you purchase an independant server which everyone then connects to and if people have issues it is localised to them only and not to the overall show.

I play an mmorpg (EVE Online) and my corp has its own teamspeak server which we use for everything, it is very stable and we have members across europe and united states using it.

I have also used ventrillo/teamspeak with literally over a thousand people using the same server with no complications.


*EDIT* Sorry i didnt realise the show was in the General Discussion sub-forum (a bit ilogical) so can this be moved there please.

 

[n2nufrnds]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

I would like to add my listener vote to this as well. This show is extremely high quality in terms of the content, and it is a shame to have so many drop outs.

ALSO people must realize that there is a one or two second delay for some people hearing from various locations, based upon their distance from the previous person speaking.

If the original poster can give details about the cost, (if any) and the source URL, it would speed up the adoption of such an alternative technology.

 

[Joe8909]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

http://www.teamspeak.com/ or http://www.ventrilo.com/index.php

is the link to the client website

http://sales.tritoncia.com/ts3_hosters.php for teamspeak or http://www.ventrilo.com/hosting.php for vent

is a link to a site which gives u servers u can rent for hosting, i am unsure of pricing as the teamspeak server i use is hosted by a freind so it costs nothing

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

It is a good software since it isn't an end to end interface, you don't have to give anyone your contact, you just join a server and manage things. Plus it is free.
The only issue would be to setup a sever, someone would still have to act as a server (fear not because that to is provided for free) and that would requier a bit more sufisticated setup (since everyone has routers now a days and joining by ip is tricky) and if the person providing the server crashes so to the communication crashes. But I mean it is totaly doable it is just a matter of trying.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

IF you guys want to use a TS3 server, you are more than welcome to use my clans server. It's empty anyway so the boss won't mind and I'll be there to admin if you want. Absolutely free.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

IF you guys want to use a TS3 server, you are more than welcome to use my clans server. It's empty anyway so the boss won't mind and I'll be there to admin if you want. Absolutely free.

I think that is not a viable option since if we were to use that then the LoR would be dependent on a third party and that is a situation that we would want to avoid.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

IF you guys want to use a TS3 server, you are more than welcome to use my clans server. It's empty anyway so the boss won't mind and I'll be there to admin if you want. Absolutely free.

I think that is not a viable option since if we were to use that then the LoR would be dependent on a third party and that is a situation that we would want to avoid.

NVM then I could grant TK Admin rights too. Not a problem.

 

[AndromedasWake]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

As skype has issues where someone acts as a host and if the host has issues then it causes a breakdown of the entire show.

A better software to use would be teamspeak or ventrillo as you purchase an independant server which everyone then connects to and if people have issues it is localised to them only and not to the overall show.

I play an mmorpg (EVE Online) and my corp has its own teamspeak server which we use for everything, it is very stable and we have members across europe and united states using it.

I have also used ventrillo/teamspeak with literally over a thousand people using the same server with no complications.


*EDIT* Sorry i didnt realise the show was in the General Discussion sub-forum (a bit ilogical) so can this be moved there please.

This is only half the problem. The stream is dependent on my connection to the call. If I am the host (which I was for the last part of the show) then the broadcast is entirely dependent on me, and we didn't seem to have any problems once I was hosting the call.

The problem lies with dpr, so we will instead have to find a way for me to host it. It may simply be that I take over as moderator/host if necessary.

Teamspeak is a software client, as far as I can tell. We'd need a dedicated server which people can connect to via Skype, because the vast majority of people are on Skype.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Teamspeak is a software client, as far as I can tell. We'd need a dedicated server which people can connect to via Skype, because the vast majority of people are on Skype.

Teamspeak is basically the same as Skype. So you guys (DPR, TF, Aron, Don, You, special guests like ZOMG) could directly connect to TS3. And it could be streamed to blogtv, right?
Here's what I would propose: Use a server but only give out the IP to the few people who will join the show (or even create a server password for the evening, changed every time? And then only give out that PW. Makes for slightly more work before the show but should yield better results while making the show.) and then drag them down to the "show room". This gets rid of the problem of having to find people (Because you already have a selected 10-20 people on the server so you just need to drag that one person down and they can't get in unless you drag them down, it gets rid of the connection problems because everybody connects to an external server)

If you want to, I can give you a run on our server... PM me about a time, I'd suggest somewhere between 18:00 and 21:00 if you want to. (Same zone as you btw)

 

[WarK]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

This is only half the problem. The stream is dependent on my connection to the call. If I am the host (which I was for the last part of the show) then the broadcast is entirely dependent on me, and we didn't seem to have any problems once I was hosting the call.

The problem lies with dpr, so we will instead have to find a way for me to host it. It may simply be that I take over as moderator/host if necessary.

I think it'd be better if you took over hosting/adding/kicking people to/from the call from dpr.

As for "moderator" job, is it really needed? I think originally the idea of moderator came from the fact that first show was initially meant as a debate. Since it's now more like a radio talkback show, I don't see the need for a moderator, if a caller is being silly the one hosting the call can kick them. All the broadcasters seem to get along very well so I don't see the need for moderator there either.

As for dpr, I'd move him from moderators section to broadcasters section so he doesn't feel alienated

 

[DepricatedZero]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

I think a TS or Vent server is on the right track. It has the downside of requiring guests to download a client, but it also has the upside of not requiring callers who don't have Skype to register on Skype. Plus you can mute or kick unruly callers.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

I think a TS or Vent server is on the right track. It has the downside of requiring guests to download a client, but it also has the upside of not requiring callers who don't have Skype to register on Skype. Plus you can mute or kick unruly callers.

Wait are you saying Skype doesn't require a Download?

 

[DepricatedZero]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

I think a TS or Vent server is on the right track. It has the downside of requiring guests to download a client, but it also has the upside of not requiring callers who don't have Skype to register on Skype. Plus you can mute or kick unruly callers.

Wait are you saying Skype doesn't require a Download?

Perhaps I was ambiguous. It only has that downside?

Quicker to download and go than to download, register, get into your email, click the registration button, and then go.

Still, I don't know about the software they're using to stream to BlogTV. It may be the case that that software only works with Skype or doesn't work with whatever alternative they may look at.

 

[Private_slim]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Just getting in a listeners vote as well.
The skype problems are still there, would you guys just PLEASE try it out! People would still need to dl a client if they do not already have skype, so using a service that is better for the purpose seems like a much better idea than keep struggling with skype.

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall there being an option in TeamSpeak that allows you to set that new users enter one room (say "Guests"), and that the main room (say "Broadcast") is only accessible if one of the admins in the Broadcast room pulls someone from the Guestroom to the Broadcastroom. (Or was that Ventrilo?)

 

[Undeath]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Both programs have that feature - essentially you just create a password-protected room, and the admins (or moderators) can move people into it as needed.

 

[AndromedasWake]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

We've looked into both Teamspeak and Ventrilo now. I like the software, particularly Teamspeak (which I used to use long ago) but I've had some trouble getting dpr to understand it.

We are also looking into Oovoo as it provides a video solution. One of the major problems is that I need to be able to do it, because I am pretty much the only constant in the show. My little computer sadly is not powerful enough to capture a five-way video conference and broadcast it out on blogtv and it's going to be some time before I've saved for a computer that is.

Skype really seems to be a problem at dpr's end, because during last weekend's show when I was hosting we had no problems. However, whenever I try to host the call-in shows, dpr gets a message that says 'the host is using an old version of skype' and as such he cannot become an admin in the chat, so he can't bring in new callers. I am running the mac version, but it's up-to-date and other people don't seem to be having this trouble.

Anyone understand this problem?

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Well my suggestion for DPR: Completely un-install Skype and re-install the brand new version. It may be that there's a bug or something.
In any case I once again offer my TS3 channel as well as my SA status.

 

[AndromedasWake]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Well my suggestion for DPR: Completely un-install Skype and re-install the brand new version. It may be that there's a bug or something.
In any case I once again offer my TS3 channel as well as my SA status.

Much appreciated, and I will keep that in mind if I can convince the others to use TS3. I am going to try and get dpr to re-install Skype before today's show.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Different software to use other than skype for the LoR S

Well my suggestion for DPR: Completely un-install Skype and re-install the brand new version. It may be that there's a bug or something.
In any case I once again offer my TS3 channel as well as my SA status.

Much appreciated, and I will keep that in mind if I can convince the others to use TS3. I am going to try and get dpr to re-install Skype before today's show.

Apparently this screwed with YOUR skype now.