Deconverts only talk to non-believers?

[borrofburi]

I've noticed recently a few christians who have a "theory" that all deconverts became so because during a "crisis of faith" they turned to talk to non-believers instead of well-informed believers like priests or pastors. Somehow I guess the implication is that they picked a bad awful biased information source instead of the True Informationâ„¢, so no wonder they converted...

This angers me. I'd write more but I'm tired and not terribly articulate at the moment.


P.S. True Christiansâ„¢ are so common that I've memorized the trademark ascii: alt + 0153. I think that's funny.

 

[Netheralian]

What - your angry and confused that Christians have got it wrong... again?

I'd have thought you would be used to that by now...

 

[BrainBlow]

It is so easy to brush off that it doesn't even annoy me.
You just quite easily point out that there might actually be something to learn on the other side of the spectrum and that they should try it.
And when "consulting atheists" when having a wavering faith, you get many of the arguments, that you WOULD get to stay in the faith, tackled. So it becomes pointless to go to someone "strong in the faith" that will just tell you what was debunked.

I dunno if most creationist preachers realize, but those in "a crisis of faith" between belief and non-belief are in the position where faith alone just doesn't do it for them anymore.
That is also why it is so easy to go to the "atheist" side of the spectrum in these situations because they don't just tell you to have faith but actually gives something that will appease your logical sense.

 

[Memeticemetic]

I've noticed the story I hear most often from ex-believers is that it wasn't conversations with atheists that push them over the edge, but conversations with fellow believers. They begin to recognize what I've always recognized personally; religious leaders (and , in fact, everyone else) have no special connection with the Truth. Once someone enters a "crisis of faith" there's no one better to talk to than those who offer platitudes and false analogies to bring the seed of doubt from germination into full-on flower. I don't think I've ever actually had a conversation with someone specifically going through the process of deconversion; I honestly don't know how I would proceed and what my role, if any, should be.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

My own deconversion was not compoused of a single factor, and hearing those who "apoint the truth from above" in a honest light and trying to understan what are they telling us did play a bigger contribution to increase my doubtes twards religion than any non-believer could. It is one thing listening to someone "who you think is wrong" saying "who you think is right" is instead wrong, another completly different thing is to listen to "who you thaught was right" and realise that they are wrong. When that happened to me I was not deconverted right away and I still taught that the religous business was legit, only the organization was clueless. However it did send me on a slipery slope of questioning things from which I would never recover. The funy thing is, it was my honest attempt to find a more pure form of God that made me realise that there was none.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

it was my honest attempt to find a more pure form of God that made me realise that there was none.

This is so going into my signature!

 

[lrkun]

Do deconverts talk only to non-believers?

No since I talk to believers all the time.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

I don't really like talking to believers about their religions because they will more likely than not attempt to brainwash me with their religious "truths". And I really hate that.

On the other hand, I frequent this forum because I find it easy to fellow skeptics and atheists here. So perhaps, it's true that deconverts mostly talk to non-believers. But they don't shut their world to believers. If a believer is willing to have a secular open debate or discussion with an informed deconvert, he is always welcome to do so.

 

[Deleted member 619]

I don't really like talking to believers about their religions because they will more likely than not attempt to brainwash me with their religious "truths". And I really hate that.

Actually, I have no problem with that, not least because they bring the argument to me, at which point they become fair game. I never argue religion with people in RL in any other circumstances, but once they have opened the door, especially with any intent to proselytise, the gloves come off.

They only ever try it once.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

This is so going into my signature!

 

[FaithlessThinker]

I know of a guy with a long beard and a medium-sized bun on his head (that should give you an idea of what religion he is) who just loves to argue about anything for the sake of argument. And one thing he found he can have a heated argument with me is about religion.

There was once we had a freaking long argument over facebook. Although I was being decent and putting forward my arguments with basis against religion, he constantly just picked something I said and turned it an argument against me without any real basis. He didn't show any kind of concern or understanding for my points of view, and just kept arguing against what I say, as though everything I say is wrong, and everything he says is correct.

In the end I just gave up and nowadays I'm extremely careful what I talk to him. One slip of the mouth, and he could be arguing with me again. It did in fact happen recently face-to-face with him, not about religion but about something else. The guy started arguing against something I said, and when I tried to explain why I said it, he argued more. Before the flame grew, I snuffed it out by saying something as a bottom line and then walking away from there. (He tried to argue my bottom line but I just shook my head while walking away.)

Even if I have the knowledge, I find myself not to have the patience enough to have a good debate with a believer. I'm a person who normally has patience for other things, but when believers explicitly display their stupidity so well, I lose my patience very easily. It just gets to my nerves.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

I dropped Christianity a long, long time ago - but I still talk with Christians around the world.

Welcome to the internet.

 

[VyckRo]

I've noticed recently a few christians who have a "theory" that all deconverts became so because during a "crisis of faith" they turned to talk to non-believers instead of well-informed believers like priests or pastors. Somehow I guess the implication is that they picked a bad awful biased information source instead of the True Informationâ„¢, so no wonder they converted...

This angers me. I'd write more but I'm tired and not terribly articulate at the moment.


P.S. True Christiansâ„¢ are so common that I've memorized the trademark ascii: alt + 0153. I think that's funny.

The main method of atheists to convert Christians to their religion is:
1 The conversion to a wrong version of Christianity, which is easily to be attacked!
2 Using the arguments listed in these books
http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/featuredbooks.html

--- ----- ---- ----
I talk daily with at least 10 atheists, and that for about two years!
Because I am an anti-atheist, militant I like to do not lose my training!

Most interesting are the atheist that are trying to convert me to a form of Christianity, easy to attack!
Atheist that are using quotations from scripture, quotations from Christian writers, video of some christians! to convince you of a certain interpretation! (like the earth is 6000 years old)

Nearly three months I debated with an atheist, who wanted to convince me of the doctrine "saved by faith alone" and that, just for putting to me, the famous question: "about other religion".
My attempts to give him a lesson in history and to show that only from Marthin Luther (who made a mistake in translation) there is this interpretation, were pointless!
This week I was approached by a "faithful by the Bible" (or something), and the only difference is that he considered me christian, not like the atheist, the atheist he gone mad because I do"not play a fair game" and probably I am dishonest (and do not give him the opportunity to ask his question)

I saw som atheist who want to convince christian of creationism to. and som evolutionary-christians accused of stealing evolutionism from atheistm! In all these cases atheists are trying to convert, christians to a controversial form of Christianity, and then use the arguments in the book mentioned above.

For example, as a historian, I tend to believe in the deluge theory, and I was offended and insulted by atheists, who wanted me to believe in "the global flood" because they wanted to ask me about the Kangaroos!

It is therefore true, the main method used by atheists, is the lack of honesty, and misinterpretation, and
they do it intentionally!

 

[borrofburi]

I talk daily with at least 10 atheists, and that for about two years!
Because I am an anti-atheist, militant I like to do not lose my training!

You and I had our confrontation once. My conclusion was simply that you are not good enough at English to have a meaningful conversation with: the communication barrier is simply too strong (you always misunderstand what I said).


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[VyckRo]

You and I had our confrontation once. My conclusion was simply that you are not good enough at English to have a meaningful conversation with: the communication barrier is simply too strong (you always misunderstand what I said).

...do not remember you

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You asked a question? Who does not know English now?
The answer is ( to the question without the question mark )
People convert to atheism, because they are misled ( intentionally) by the dishonesty of some people without morals!

PS

This angers me. I'd write more but I'm tired and not terribly articulate at the moment.

as I said, no question!

 

[borrofburi]

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You asked a question? Who does not know English now?
The answer is ( to the question without the question mark )
People convert to atheism, because they are misled ( intentionally) by the dishonesty of some people without morals!

The question is "do deconverts only talk to non-believers?" (you know, the title of the thread...) with the subtext of "does it matter?". You are wrong to think the question is "why do people 'convert' to atheism?"

PS

This angers me. I'd write more but I'm tired and not terribly articulate at the moment.

as I said, no question!

If you'll notice the time stamp on that, I said that 5 days ago...

 

[Independent Vision]

No.

Christians, Wiccans, Pagans... they are all who I talked the most to when I did actually give up trying to convince myself there was something else out there. Or deconverted, so to speak.

I think it's religion who drives people away from it, not atheism that attracts people if one takes an approach of either or. It's not as simple as that, but that's not really relevant to the question.

 

[Prolescum]

In all these cases atheists are trying to convert, christians to a controversial form of Christianity, and then use the arguments in the book mentioned above.

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For example, as a historian[...]

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[nasher168]

Y'know, I don't think I've ever seen anyone deconvert purely because of what an atheist told them. IIRC, Fearmonger was convinced that creationism wasn't honest, then sort of went away and came back a few weeks later as an atheist. It almost invariably tends to be that the person works it out for themselves after a few slight nudges in the right direction.

 

[lrkun]

So what if they did? I don't see anything wrong with talking with a god denier.

The question here implies that talking to non-believers are wrong. One can choose who to talk to ^^.