Chattiestspike2
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There are quite a few claims that have been made in favor of Noah's Flood that some may think are quite compelling. I will name off a few and debunk them right here. Some of these will sound familiar and some people will already know, but I'm going to say them anyway.
Pillow lava at high altitudes. Pillow lava is round lava that emerged underwater and cooled underwater and they take the shape of large rounded blobs. This is an interesting claim for the flood because creationists will often say that the point is the sea level at least rose to 11,000 feet or whatever in order for pillow lava to form. Now it is a fact that pillow lava can ONLY form underwater, but just because you see pillow lava at high altitudes doesn't mean that the pillow lava formed up there recently. This happened because a few million years ago, that portion of land was under water and either over a hot spot, subduction zone, or something else, and the pillow lava formed naturally. After it cooled, through millions of years, the land got uplifted into a mountain. Bingo, we have pillow lava at high altitudes.
Same effect with fossilized sea shells in high mountains. They fossilized on the ground (or under water) and then got uplifted. Fossilization mostly takes a long time (10,000 years at least) for all the bones to be replaced by minerals, so even IF water reached to the top of Mt Everest, we still wouldn't have fossils up there, we would just have relatively old sea shells.
Now this is just what the Theory of Plate Techtonics says, so if you want to refute those refutations, you will have to refute plate techtonics. Have fun with that.
Another interesting claim is the geologic layers of strata. They will claim that Noah's Flood caused the strata. Their reasoning is the following: if you take a jar of dirt and water, when you shake it up, it stratifies into layers. So we have a global flood, a lot of dirt, and now we have strata. However this couldn't be farther from reality. The dirt and water in a jar would form what's called a "graded bedding" which is where the denser heavier grains sink to the bottom and the lighter grains are at the top. It is a gradual change from bottom to top with heavy to light respectively. That is one layer, not several. In the strata, we have several layers, which in essence are several sections of graded beddings which could NOT have formed by a single global flood. One flood would cause one layer and one layer only. Let alone four sedimentary layers, with an igneous lava flow in between two of them- which is what is found on numerous occasions.
The formation of canyons is proof of Noah's Flood. I'm sure you've heard that one. Well.. the simple answer is, no. First of all, let's take the creationists' favorite, the Grand Canyon. The Grand Canyon has a long winding river at the bottom of it. If it was caused by a flood, the rushing water would form a straight line, not a meandering path like the Colorado River or any other slow moving waters. Also, if there was a flood, the ONE layer would be very soggy and muddy, so if any kind of river carved any kind of canyon, there wouldn't be any sharp vertical cliffs at all, and that's exactly what we see in many parts of the Grand Canyon. Additionally, because it is one flood, you would have one layer, and in the Grand Canyon, you can see hundreds of layers. So make up your mind, creationists, did the flood cause the strata? Or did the flood cause the canyons? You can't have both.
That's it for now. I might add some more stuff later.
Hope this may clear up some things with some people.
Pillow lava at high altitudes. Pillow lava is round lava that emerged underwater and cooled underwater and they take the shape of large rounded blobs. This is an interesting claim for the flood because creationists will often say that the point is the sea level at least rose to 11,000 feet or whatever in order for pillow lava to form. Now it is a fact that pillow lava can ONLY form underwater, but just because you see pillow lava at high altitudes doesn't mean that the pillow lava formed up there recently. This happened because a few million years ago, that portion of land was under water and either over a hot spot, subduction zone, or something else, and the pillow lava formed naturally. After it cooled, through millions of years, the land got uplifted into a mountain. Bingo, we have pillow lava at high altitudes.
Same effect with fossilized sea shells in high mountains. They fossilized on the ground (or under water) and then got uplifted. Fossilization mostly takes a long time (10,000 years at least) for all the bones to be replaced by minerals, so even IF water reached to the top of Mt Everest, we still wouldn't have fossils up there, we would just have relatively old sea shells.
Now this is just what the Theory of Plate Techtonics says, so if you want to refute those refutations, you will have to refute plate techtonics. Have fun with that.
Another interesting claim is the geologic layers of strata. They will claim that Noah's Flood caused the strata. Their reasoning is the following: if you take a jar of dirt and water, when you shake it up, it stratifies into layers. So we have a global flood, a lot of dirt, and now we have strata. However this couldn't be farther from reality. The dirt and water in a jar would form what's called a "graded bedding" which is where the denser heavier grains sink to the bottom and the lighter grains are at the top. It is a gradual change from bottom to top with heavy to light respectively. That is one layer, not several. In the strata, we have several layers, which in essence are several sections of graded beddings which could NOT have formed by a single global flood. One flood would cause one layer and one layer only. Let alone four sedimentary layers, with an igneous lava flow in between two of them- which is what is found on numerous occasions.
The formation of canyons is proof of Noah's Flood. I'm sure you've heard that one. Well.. the simple answer is, no. First of all, let's take the creationists' favorite, the Grand Canyon. The Grand Canyon has a long winding river at the bottom of it. If it was caused by a flood, the rushing water would form a straight line, not a meandering path like the Colorado River or any other slow moving waters. Also, if there was a flood, the ONE layer would be very soggy and muddy, so if any kind of river carved any kind of canyon, there wouldn't be any sharp vertical cliffs at all, and that's exactly what we see in many parts of the Grand Canyon. Additionally, because it is one flood, you would have one layer, and in the Grand Canyon, you can see hundreds of layers. So make up your mind, creationists, did the flood cause the strata? Or did the flood cause the canyons? You can't have both.
That's it for now. I might add some more stuff later.
Hope this may clear up some things with some people.
